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10CDGENEVA23 2010-02-08 18:02 2011-08-30 01:44 SECRET US Mission CD Geneva
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AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP 
DTRA FOR OP-OS OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR 
NSC FOR LOOK 
DIA FOR LEA 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 2020/02/08 
TAGS: PARM KACT MARR PREL RS US
SUBJECT: START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA (SFO-GVA-VII): (U) 
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WORKING GROUP MEETING, DECEMBER 14, 2009 
 
REF: GENEVA XXXX (SFO-GVA-VII-142) 
 
CLASSIFIED BY: Rose A. Gottemoeller, Assistant Secretary, Department 
of State, VCI; REASON: 1.4(B), (D) 
 
1.  (U) This is SFO-GVA-VII-145. 
 
 
 
2.  (U) Meeting Date:  December 14, 2009 
 
                Time:  3:30 P.M. - 5:45 P.M. 
 
               Place:  Russian Mission, Geneva 
 
 
 
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SUMMARY 
 
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3.  (S) The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) Working Group (WG) 
chairs, Mr. Trout and General Orlov, met at the Russian Mission on 
December 14, 2009.  Orlov conveyed Russian agreement to include 
space launch facilities in the Database.  The exchange of site 
diagrams was discussed at length, with Orlov finally agreeing that 
the sides should exchange site diagrams 45 days after signature. 
Trout and Orlov also discussed and clarified positions regarding 
heavy bombers.  End summary. 
 
 
 
4.  (U) SUBJECT SUMMARY:  Data Exchange Again; Space Launch 
Success; General Provisions and Site Diagrams; Heavy Bomber Issues; 
and Closing Comments. 
 
 
 
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DATA EXCHANGE AGAIN 
 
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5.  (S) Trout asked whether the Russian side had a coordinated 
position on the information to be exchanged at signature, 
referencing the discussion from the previous night (Reftel) about 
Russia wanting to include facilities as part of the information to 
be exchanged.  Orlov explained that the new Russian position was 
that the names of facilities and existing types should be listed 
but no numerical data provided.  Trout agreed to the new position. 
 
 
 
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SPACE LAUNCH SUCCESS 
 
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6.  (S) Orlov announced that the Russian side had agreed to the 
category of "space launch facilities" and would now include such 
facilities in the database.  He noted, however, that the Russian 
side believed the categories listed in Section IV should be 
"non-deployed ICBMs and SLBMs" and "non-deployed launchers of ICBMs 
and SLBMs," vice the U.S. construct of "ICBMs and SLBMs at space 
launch facilities" and "launchers that have contained or launched 
ICBMs or SLBMs."  Trout replied that he would consider the new 
language. 
 
 
 
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GENERAL PROVISIONS AND SITE DIAGRAMS 
 
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7.  (S) Turning to the revised Section I, General Provisions, Orlov 
asked about the new language regarding site diagrams.  Trout 
explained that the United States had moved considerably toward the 
Russian side, agreeing to use START site diagrams until changed, if 
desired, after entry-into-force (EIF).  Orlov questioned the clause 
that stated the site diagrams had to be agreed in the Bilateral 
Consultative Commission (BCC) for them to become effective.  After 
some back and forth about how long the process would take and how 
often the BCC would meet, LT Lobner commented that if the Russian 
side were to agree with the original U.S. position to exchange site 
diagrams 45 days after signature, the new site diagrams would not 
have to go to the BCC to be agreed upon and would be available for 
use by inspectors after EIF when inspections began.  Later in the 
meeting, Orlov stated that he agreed with the U.S. position to 
provide site diagrams 45 days after signature.  He also stated the 
Russian side would look at the revised section and incorporate this 
new change in position. 
 
 
 
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HEAVY BOMBER ISSUES 
 
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8.  (S) Orlov and Trout moved on to Section V, regarding heavy 
bombers, analyzing the language that referred to "nuclear 
armaments" or "nuclear warheads" for deployed heavy bombers.  After 
much back and forth and discussion of linguistics, the Russian 
position was clarified to be "nuclear warheads attributed to 
deployed heavy bombers."  Trout stated that the U.S. position was 
"nuclear armaments for deployed heavy bombers," but that he would 
relay this information to his head of delegation. 
 
 
 
9.  (S) Poznikhir engaged Trout in a conversation about the logic 
of deployed and non-deployed heavy bombers, stating that it seemed 
natural to have two categories.  He postulated that if one listed 
deployed items, one should also list non-deployed items.  Orlov 
 
 
asked Trout under what category test bombers would fall, deployed 
or non-deployed.  Trout replied that they were neither deployed nor 
non-deployed, they were simply test heavy bombers.  Orlov and 
Poznikhir asked whether there were any changes to the U.S. position 
on heavy bombers, to which Trout replied that there were none. 
 
 
 
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CLOSING COMMENTS 
 
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10.  (S) Trout suggested that the group meet again the next morning 
to continue working through the document.  Orlov agreed to meet the 
next morning and possibly in the afternoon, if necessary. 
 
 
 
11.  (U) Documents provided:  None. 
 
 
 
12.  (U) Participants: 
 
 
 
UNITED STATES 
 
 
 
Mr. Trout 
 
LT Lobner (RO) 
 
Mr. French (Int) 
 
 
 
RUSSIA 
 
 
 
Gen Orlov 
 
Mr. Ivanov 
 
Col Pischulov 
 
Gen Poznihir 
 
Mr. Voloskov 
 
Ms. Evarovskaya (Int) 
 
 
 
13.  (U) Gottemoeller sends. 
LARSON