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S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 TOKYO 001995 
 
SIPDIS 
 
EAP/S/NKP-GOLDBERG 
DOD FOR OSD/APSA-GREGSON/MITCHELL/SCHIFFER/HILL/HAMM 
PACOM FOR J00/J01/J5 
USFJ FOR J00/J01/J5 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 08/25/2019 
TAGS: PREL JA KN PARM PREL KNSD UNSC
SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR GOLDBERG'S INTER-AGENCY MEETING WITH 
JAPANESE OFFICIALS ON UNSCR 1874 
 
TOKYO 00001995  001.2 OF 002 
 
 
Classified By: Deputy Chief of Mission James P. Zumwalt, reasons 1.4 (b 
 and d) 
 
¶1. (S) SUMMARY:  On August 25, GOJ officials led by MOFA Asia 
DG Akitaka Saiki and Ambassador Philip Goldberg discussed 
UNSCR 1874 implementation and issues related to the DPRK's 
nuclear and missile programs.  JapaQe officials said they 
are happy with the current level of coordination between the 
U.S. and Japan, and emphasized the need for continued close 
trilateral coordination among the U.S., Japan and the ROK. 
MOFA officials characterized  recent DPRK initiatives to the 
U.S. and the ROK as mere "smile diplomacy" designed to show 
the world that Kim Jong-il is firmly in power.  Japan's 
position remains unchanged--that the DPRK should "feel the 
pain" of its past provocative actions.  The U.S. and Japan 
should not rush to Pyongyang in the wake of recent DPRK 
overtures, but should ascertain through verifiable measures 
whether or not the DPRK is "sincere."  MOFA officials are 
concerned that a resumption of suspended tourism programs to 
the DPRK would give it financial "breathing room."  They 
shared with Ambassador Goldberg a list of measures taken by 
the GOJ against North Korea.  END SUMMARY 
 
¶2. (C) UNSCR 1874 Implementation Coordinator Ambassador 
Philip Goldberg met August 25 for UNSCR 1874 implementation 
discussions with MOFA Asia Bureau Director General Akitaka 
Saiki, who was accompanied by Northeast Asia Division 
Director Junji Shimada, Non-Proliferation, Science and 
Nuclear Energy Division Director Tsutomu Koizumi, Senior 
Foreign Policy Coordinator Masashi Nakagome, National 
Security Policy Division Acting Director Seiichiro Taguchi, 
North America Division Principal Deputy Director Yukio Saita, 
Cabinet Secretariat Counselor Kanji Yamaouchi, Ministry of 
Finance Research Division Director Tsuyoshi Kurihara and a 
representative from the FSA.  Ambassador Goldberg was 
accompanied by NSC Director for Nonproliferation Charles 
Lutes, Treasury Department Assistant Director for Sanctions 
and Targeted Measures Jennifer Fowler, Defense Department 
Senior Assistant for Transnational Threats Donald Leathem, 
Executive Officer to the North Korean Mission Manager, Office 
of the Director for National Intelligence Mauricio de la 
Cruz, Embassy Political Section Acting Chief Marc Knapper and 
Embassy notetaker. 
 
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MOFA's View: DPRK "Smile Diplomacy" 
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¶3. (S) Saiki said that the GOJ is "very comfortable" with the 
level of consultation between the U.S. and Japan on DPRK 
issues.  Noting that the DPRK has reached out to the U.S. and 
the ROK, but not to Japan, Saiki characterized recent DPRK 
actions such as releasing the two U.S. journalists and 
sending a delegation to attend the funeral of former South 
Korean President Kim Dae Jung as "smile diplomacy."  MOFA 
officials shared with Ambassador Goldberg a list of 
independent measures (notal: emailed septel), as well as 
measures related to UNSCRs 1695, 1718 and 1874, taken by the 
GOJ against North Korea. Saiki said that Japan's position 
remains unchanged--measures put in place by UNSCR 1874 should 
be reinforced and the U.S. and Japan should make the DPRK 
"feel the pain" of its provocative actions.  The DPRK needs 
to know that its provocative actions are not withoQost, he 
said, adding that close trilateral cooperation among the 
U.S., Japan and the ROK is very important as it will send a 
strong message to the DPRK.  Saiki said that the GOJ's view 
is that the DPRK's peace initiative is nothing new, and is 
merely an attempt to show the world that Kim Jong-il is in 
control.  The GOJ knows the DPRK's intentions and will not be 
easily manipulated, he said.  Japan and the U.S. need to 
monitor the DPRK very carefully and ascertain whether or not 
the DPRK is sincere, not "rush to Pyongyang."  The GOJ has 
 
TOKYO 00001995  002.2 OF 002 
 
 
had no meaningful bilateral contact with the DPRK since 
August 2008, but would welcome a bilateral dialogue between 
the DPRK and the U.S. within the framework of the Six Party 
Talks, he said. 
 
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Ramifications of Resumption of Tourism at Kaesong and 
Mt.Kumgang 
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¶4. (S) Saiki said that although he has not yet coordinated 
the official GOJ response to the possible resumption of 
suspended tourism programs to Kaesong and Mt. Kumgang, he is 
worried that the DPRK will divert foreign currency earnings 
to prohibited activities, giving the regime financial 
"breathing space."  Ambassador Goldberg shared Saiki's 
concerns and noted the possible corrosive effect on UNSCR 
1874, but said an initial assessment indicates that tourism 
activities are not sanctionable under UNSCR 1874 as they are 
not tied directly to prohibited programs.  In this, certain 
countries' continuing to allow remittances to North Korea was 
also not sanctionable, although those monies might be 
fungible as well, said Ambassador Goldberg. (Note:  Saiki was 
visibly uncomfortable with the idea of a "green light" for 
North-South tourism and industrial projects, and had no reply 
to the remittances comment.  He said he will not comment 
publicly on the North-South projects for the time being 
because he "feels the U.S. and Japan should not reveal any 
difference in viewpoint."  Ambassador Goldberg made clear 
that no green light existed, simply an understanding that the 
activities being discussed likely fall outside UNSCR 1874. 
End Note.) 
 
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Cargo Inspections and Import/Export 
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¶5. (S) Japan has fully implemented UNSCR 1874 import/export 
provisions, Saiki said.  Regarding cargo inspection, Saiki 
said that the 1718 Committee needs to define more clearly the 
list of luxury goods subject to inspection.  In the meantime, 
Japan will use it's own list of luxury goods, which Saiki 
presented to Ambassador Goldberg.  Saiki also said that the 
1718 Committee needs to address dual use goods, and that the 
provision allowing the export of small arms to the DPRK 
should be changed.  The export of all arms to the DPRK should 
be banned, he said.  Ambassador Goldberg noted his 
understanding that countries will proceed with their 
"national lists" of luxury goods until the UNSC 1718 
Committee codifies a master list. 
 
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China, EU, Switzerland and the Middle East 
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¶6. (S) Saiki said that Japan expects China to play a more 
influential role with the DPRK, but since China is not 
transparent with its actions, Japan questions whether or not 
China is doing enough.  Ambassador Goldberg said that China 
has given very high level rhetorical support to UNSCR 1874 
and there are indications that China is being more vigilant 
on illicit financial transactions.  Saiki also asked about 
efforts to enforce UNSCR 1874 in the Middle East, EU and 
Switzerland.  Ambassador Goldberg noted that there are no 
real problems with enforcement in the EU, and that Swiss 
banking authorities should be well aware of the risks of 
maintaining DPRK accounts.  Ambassador Goldberg said that he 
will follow up on that point with the Swiss Ambassador upon 
his return to Washington. 
 
¶7. Ambassador Goldberg has cleared this cable. 
ROOS