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Viewing cable 08STATE104519, UNDER SECRETARY BURNS' MEETING WITH TAJIKISTAN

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08STATE104519 2008-09-30 21:35 2011-08-30 01:44 CONFIDENTIAL Secretary of State
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C O N F I D E N T I A L STATE 104519 
 
SIPDIS 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/26/2018 
TAGS: PREL ASEC PHUM KDEM PMAR PK AF TI
SUBJECT: UNDER SECRETARY BURNS' MEETING WITH TAJIKISTAN 
PRESIDENT RAHMON 
 
Classified By: Under Secretary William Burns 
for reasons 1.4 (B) and (D) 
 
1.  (C)  In a forty minute meeting on September 25, Tajikistan 
President Emomali Rahmon and Under Secretary William Burns 
discussed the U.S.-Tajik relationship and Rahmon's views on 
issues facing South and Central Asia.  Rahmon expressed 
concern 
over the situation in Afghanistan stressing that, in the end, 
Afghan stability depends on Pakistan.  On the Russia/Georgia 
conflict, Rahmon noted Russian pressure, but assured Under 
Secretary Burns Tajikistan would stand firm on territorial 
integrity.  Stability was a theme that underlay his 
discussion 
not only about Afghanistan, but also narcotics trafficking, 
civil society organizations and reform in general.  He claimed 
Tajikistan is building its democratic, secular society based 
on its own customs and traditions -- and at its own pace. 
 
2.  (SBU)  Meeting Participants: 
 
Emomali Rahmon, President of Tajikistan 
Presidential Adviser Erkin Rahmatulloev 
Ambassador to the United States Abdujabbor Shirinov 
Tajik Permanent Representative to the United Nations 
Sirojiddin Aslov 
 
Under Secretary William Burns 
SCA Deputy Assistant Secretary George Krol 
SCA/CEN Brian Roraff (notetaker) 
 
3.  (C)  President Rahmon began the meeting by thanking 
the United States for our security assistance to Tajikistan, 
as well as our efforts to bring stability to Afghanistan. 
He characterized the U.S.-Tajik relationship as strong.  He 
then asked about the status of Tajikistan's USD 20 million 
request for wheat seed, noting that the United States has 
not decided the final form the assistance will take. 
 
4.  (C)  Rahmon then delved into issues facing Tajikistan, 
starting with Afghanistan, which he described as a 
complicated 
situation.  He said that stability in Afghanistan was 
important to Tajikistan because it lies between Tajikistan 
and Pakistan, and therefore the sea and world markets. 
Tajikistan is supporting Afghan stability: it has agreed to 
sell electricity to Afghanistan, five bridges link the two 
countries, and Tajikistan is helping connect the region, 
building a road network that connects the region from 
Kazakhstan through Afghanistan to Pakistan.  However, 
the problem of narcotics and narcotics trafficking is a 
serious problem facing the region. 
 
5.  (C)  Rahmon addressed the coming winter, which he said 
would be worse than last year's.  Water shortages have 
caused a drop of 30 per cent in Tajikistan's hydroelectric 
capacity this year, which has resulted in only sixteen hours 
of electricity a day to the capital Dushanbe.  He noted that 
60 percent of water flowing through Central Asia originates 
in Tajikistan, but Tajikistan only uses 5-7 percent. 
Uzbekistan, on the other hand, uses over 50 percent of the 
water in the region. 
 
6.  (C)  He ended his introduction by telling Under Secretary 
Burns that Tajikistan is ready to cooperate on the wide range 
of issues that make up the U.S.-Tajik relationship, 
concluding 
with a pitch for more U.S. trade and investment. 
 
7.  (C)  Under Secretary Burns told Rahmon the United States 
has a strong interest in stability in Afghanistan, and 
therefore we value our security relationship with Tajikistan, 
including on counternarcotics.  He followed up on the theme 
of U.S. investment in Tajikistan, telling Rahmon that we want 
to be helpful, but that Tajikistan could help itself attract 
investment by cooperating with the International Monetary 
Fund and repaying its loans.  Rahmon responded by pledging 
to continue cooperation with the Fund. 
 
8.  (C)  Under Secretary Burns then asked Rahmon how he saw 
the situation in Afghanistan developing.  Rahmon replied 
simply that stability in Afghanistan depended on stabilizing 
Pakistan.  The homeland of the Taliban, he said, is Pakistan 
not Afghanistan, and the Taliban must be eliminated there. 
He said that the United States should strengthen its presence 
in Afghanistan while at the same time helping stabilize 
Pakistan.  The United States should not separate stability 
in Afghanistan and Pakistan. 
 
9.  (C)  Under Secretary Burns asked Rahmon for his impression 
of Pakistani President Asif Zardari.  Rahmon responded that 
Zardari was a good businessman, but that in politics he 
simply 
traded on the reputation of his late wife, Benazir Bhutto. 
Unlike Bhutto, Zardari will not be able to keep Nawaz Sharif 
in check, which is worrisome because Sharif has extremist 
roclivities.  Nevertheless, countries must deal with Zardari, 
and at least he is not a military general, dependent on the 
military and security services like Musharraf. 
 
10.  (C)  Moving to Georgia, Under Secretary Burns noted that 
Tajikistan did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia and 
asked Rahmon for his view on the situation.  Rahmon started 
by characterizing the recent summit of the Shanghai 
Cooperation Organization as "tough" due to Russian pressure. 
He said that President Saakashvili did not think before 
invading South Ossetia, and could not understand why 
Saakashvili would have fallen for Russian provocations. 
Saakashvili was simply impatient and unprepared.  Rahmon 
said that poor relations between the United States and 
Russia put Tajikistan in a difficult position and that no 
one will benefit from a conflict between Moscow and 
Washington.  He called for "cooler heads," calmer rhetoric 
and objective analysis of the situation in order to avoid a 
"world catastrophe." 
 
11.  (C)  Under Secretary Burns turned to civil society and 
urged Rahmon to recognize the role nongovernmental 
organizations and the role they can play in improving Tajik 
society.  U.S. and EU nongovernmental organizations can help 
Tajikistan, especially a nongovernmental organization like 
Mercy Corps, which helped Tajikistan through the rough 
winter last year. 
 
12.  (C)  Rahmon responded by noting Tajik progress in civil 
society since 2002:  where there used to be 800 civil 
society organizations, there are now 3,000; the number of 
television channels has increased from one to ten;  there 
are now 1,000 newspapers in Tajikistan.  Rahmon pointed to 
security as a main concern of his government, arguing that 
the government must deal not only with Western nongovernmental 
organizations, but also Islamic ones.  While he appreciated 
the work of nongovernmental organizations connected to the 
European Union and the United States, nonetheless, he was 
concerned about "Muslim funds" that operate in Tajikistan, 
commenting that they could present security concerns to 
Tajikistan.  Again, he noted the tragic civil war Tajikistan 
endured as an experience that influences Tajikistan's 
attitude 
toward nongovernmental organizations. 
 
13.  (C)  In conclusion, Rahmon assured Under Secretary Burns 
that Tajikistan is building its society to be neither Islamic 
nor Communist, but rather a democratic, law abiding secular 
society based on Tajik customs and traditions.  He noted he 
had sent his experts to the United States and to Europe to 
learn from other societies.  He proclaimed "I myself am a 
democrat," but said Tajikistan cannot move hastily on reform. 
 
When the Soviet Union collapsed, he said, the Tajik people 
were not prepared and the country fell into five years of 
civil war causing over one million refugees.  Tajikistan, 
he stressed, will move "step by step" to change the living 
standards and mentality of the people.  Above all, Rahmon 
stressed Tajikistan needs time:  "Do not force change on us 
-- we need time." 
RICE