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SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXII:  HEADS OF DELEGATION MEETING ON 
CLOSING VOTKINSK AND POE'S ON START EXPIRATION, JULY 17, 
2008 
 
REF: A. STATE 60792 (RNC/STR 08-154/135) 
     ¶B. 01 STATE 37656 
 
Classified By:  Jerry A. Taylor, United States 
Representative to the Joint Compliance and Inspection 
Commission.  Reasons:  1.4(b) and (d). 
 
¶1.  (U) This is JCIC-XXXII-006. 
 
¶2.  (U) Meeting Date:  July 17, 2008 
                Time:  3:30 - 4:20 P.M. 
               Place:  Russian Mission, Geneva 
 
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SUMMARY 
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¶3.  (S) A Heads of Delegation (HOD) Meeting was held at the 
Russian Mission on July 17, 2008.  Representatives from the 
U.S., Belarus, Russia and Ukraine were present. Kazakhstan 
was not represented.  The Russian Delegation initiated the 
first JCIC discussion on procedures that will be required to 
terminate continuous monitoring activities at the Votkinsk 
Production Facility and the closure of Points of Entry (POE) 
should START expire in December 2009.  The U.S. and Russian 
Delegations agreed to discuss questions concerning the 
completion of continuous monitoring activities at the 
Votkinsk Production Facility in a bilateral working group. 
All Parties present agreed that it will be necessary to 
further discuss procedures for closing POEs in all countries 
in the event of START expiration.  The second topic raised by 
the Russian Delegation was that, beginning in January 2008, 
Russia had implemented the new SS-25 ICBM elimination 
procedures, which included the elimination of the casing of 
the self-contained dispensing mechanism (SCDM).  Russia is 
still considering how to resolve the question associated with 
SS-25 SCDM casings that were not included in elimination 
procedures prior to 2008.  The U.S. Delegation said that, 
since the casings were not present or eliminated, the U.S. 
did not consider SS-25 ICBMs presented for elimination prior 
to 2008 to be completely eliminated in accordance with the 
Conversion  or Elimination (C or E) Protocol. 
 
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WHEN START STOPS 
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¶4.  (S) Koshelev opened the first JCIC discussion on 
procedures required to complete continuous monitoring 
activities at the Votkinsk Production Facility should START 
expire in December 2009.  Koshelev said the Russian 
Federation realized that terminating continuous monitoring 
activities at Votkinsk was a complex process which would take 
time to plan and that is why the Russian Federation proposed 
it be put on the JCIC agenda.  Koshelev stated that it would 
be necessary to resolve questions regarding the itemization 
of assets, as well as funding and legal matters.  Moreover, 
the Russian Federation recommended creating a joint document 
that may require authorization at the executive level 
outlining agreed upon procedures for the termination of 
continuous monitoring activities at the Votkinsk Production 
Facility.  Koshelev remarked that experience could be drawn 
from procedures used to close Russian continuous monitoring 
activities at the U.S. Missile Production Facility in Magna, 
Utah in 2001, following the end of the INF inspection regime. 
 
 
¶5.  (S) Koshelev mentioned that Mr. Faircloth, Director of 
the On-site Inspection Directorate, Dfense Threat Reduction 
Agency, discussed the isse of terminating continuous 
monitoring activitie at Votkinsk with the head of the 
Russian Nuclea Risk Reduction Center (NRRC) on  July 02, 
¶2008.  Koshelev noted that Mr. Faircloth informed the Rusian 
NRRC chief of U.S. plans to transfer some U.. assets and 
equipment located at the Votkinsk Poduction Facility to 
Russia free of charge.  Rusia did the same in 2001 upon 
terminating its activities in Mgna. 
 
¶6.  (S) Koshelev mentioned thatanother issue for 
consideration, in connection wth the expiration of START, 
was the proper closue of POEs and removal of POE associated 
equipmen such as Radiation Detection Equipment (RDE) from 
the territory of the Russian Federation. 
 
¶7.  (S Taylor responded with the United States' view tha, 
if the START Treaty expires and there are no fllow-on 
agreements regarding the right to maintain continuous 
monitoringat Votkinsk, the Unitd States would expect to 
case continuous monitoring at Votkinsk and to remov all 
personnel and related equipment prior to theexpiration of 
the Treaty.  The United States woud, of course, be open to 
working with the Russia Federation to reach agreement on 
suitable meansto commemorate the ending of over 20 years of 
cotinuous monitoring at Votkinsk 
 
¶8.  (S) Taylor adressed all Parties present stating that the 
expiation of the START Treaty would end the use of POE for 
START purposes, unless a separate agreement were to be 
reached with respect to the establishment and use of POEs. 
The United States would expect to remove any equipment 
currently stored at those POEs and would expect the other 
Parties to do likewise. 
 
¶9.  (S) Taylor explained to the Parties that the United 
States was still in the early stages of planning for POE 
closures and the termination of continuous monitoring 
activities at Votkinsk, in the event of START expiration and 
that he had no further information available to relay. 
 
¶10.  (S) All Parties present agreed that, taking into 
consideration the potential expiration of START, the proper 
closures of POEs and accountability of equipment is a subject 
that needs to discussed in more detail in the future.  The 
U.S. and Russia agreed to move the  discussion about the 
completion of continuous monitoring activities at the 
Votkinsk Production Facility to a bilateral working group. 
 
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SHOW ME THE SS-25 SCDM CASINGS 
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¶11.  (S) Koshelev stated that, in January 2008, Russia began 
implementation of the new SS-25 elimination procedures in 
accordance with the closing plenary at JCIC-XXXI, which 
allowed U.S. inspectors the opportunity to inspect SS-25 SCDM 
casings that were to be eliminated.  Koshelev noted that 28 
SS-25 ICBMs had been eliminated since January 2008. 
 
¶12.  (S) Koshelev remarked that Russian experts were still 
determining how the question of SS-25 SCDM casings, not 
considered to be eliminated prior to 2008, would be resolved. 
 He concluded by saying that all Parties would be informed 
once the Russian Federation had determined how it could 
proceed when it was ready to resolve this issue. 
 
¶13.  (S) Taylor responded by acknowledging the Russian 
Federation's cooperation in bringing SS-25 ICBM elimination 
procedures into compliance with the Treaty by exhibiting the 
"full set of elements" for the SS-25, "including the hull of 
the instrument compartments."  Since January 2008, 28 SS-25 
ICBMs, including their entire self-contained dispensing 
mechanisms, have been eliminated.  Taylor remarked that 
Washington concured with the removal of these missiles from 
accountability and concluded by saying that the U.S. looked 
forward to receiving information on the casings that had not 
been completely eliminated. 
 
¶14.  (U) Documents exchanged.  None. 
 
¶15.  (U) Participants: 
 
U.S. 
 
Mr. Taylor 
Ms. Bosco 
Lt Col Comeau 
Mr. Couch 
Mr. DeNinno 
Mr. Dunn 
Mr. Fortier 
Maj Gondol 
Mr. Johnston 
Mr. Tessier 
Mr. Vogel 
Mr. Yaguchi 
Mr. Smith 
Mr. Brown 
Mr. Edinger 
Dr. Hopkins (Int) 
 
BELARUS 
 
Mr. Ponamarev 
 
RUSSIA 
 
Mr. Koshelev 
Mr. Shevchenko 
Mr. Kashirin 
CAPT(1st Rank) Kuz'min 
Mr. Lapshin 
Col Novikov 
Col Ryzhkov 
Mr. Serov 
Mr. Smirnoff 
Ms. Sorokina 
Col Zaytsev 
Ms. Komshilova (Int) 
 
UKRAINE 
 
Dr. Shevtsov 
Mr. Bodarenko 
MGen. Fedetov 
Mr. Demidenko 
 
¶16.  (U) Taylor sends. 
TICHENOR 
 
 
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