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08GENEVA587 2008-07-24 15:43 2011-08-30 01:44 SECRET US Mission Geneva
O 241543Z JUL 08
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S E C R E T GENEVA 000587 
 
 
DEPT FOR T, VCI AND EUR/PRA 
DOE FOR NNSA/NA-24 
CIA FOR WINPAC 
JCS FOR J5/DDGSA 
SECDEF FOR OSD(P)/STRATCAP 
NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP 
AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP 
DTRA FOR OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR 
NSC FOR LUTI 
DIA FOR LEA 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/24/2018 
TAGS: KACT PARM START JCIC INF US RS UP BO KZ
 
SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXII:  WORKING GROUP MEETING ON UKRAINIAN 
ELIMINATION OF SOLID ROCKET MOTORS FOR FIRST STAGES OF 
SS-24 ICBMS, JULY 21, 2008 
 
REF: A. GENEVA 0572 (JCIC-XXXII-008) 
     B. GENEVA 0585 (JCIC-XXXII-009) 
 
Classified By:  Jerry A. Taylor, United States 
Representative to the Joint Compliance and Inspection 
Commission.  Reasons:  1.4(b) and (d). 
 
1.  (U) This is JCIC-XXXII-011. 
 
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SUMMARY 
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2.  (S) A Working Group Meeting on the issue of Elimination 
of Solid Rocket Motor Cases for First Stages of SS-24 
(Ukrainian issue) was held at the U.S. Mission on July 21, 
2008.  All Parties, except Belarus, were represented.  The 
Parties continued the discussion from the previous Heads of 
Delegation meeting (Ref A) on the Ukrainian proposal to move 
toward agreement on alternative elimination procedures for 
SS-24 ICBM solid rocket motor (SRM) cases.  The U.S. 
Delegation explained that the U.S. proposal (Ref A) consisted 
of a JCIC Agreement which would add specific provisions in 
the Conversion or Elimination (C or E) Protocol that would 
permit the Parties to agree on alternate procedures for 
elimination of SRM cases that have had the propellant washed 
out of the motor case and residual fuel burned out.  Specific 
procedures would be contained in a JCIC Joint Statement.  The 
new procedures would be added to those contained in the C or 
E Protocol, which currently calls for the SRM cases to be 
eliminated by explosive detonation, crushing, flattening or 
cutting into two equal pieces. 
 
3.  (S)  The Russian Delegation explained that its proposal 
provided specific language for the draft agreement which 
would have the effect of expanding the proposal to the 
elimination of SRM cases for any type of mobile missile.  The 
Ukrainian delegation said it could support either formulation. 
 
4.  (S)  The U.S. Delegation explained that it could not 
support the expansion proposed by the Russian Delegation. 
Resolution of this issue needed to be narrowly focused for 
the Ukrainian SS-24 SRM cases.  The delegations agreed to 
review the draft texts proposed by the three delegations and 
study the alternate formulations and take up the discussion 
at a subsequent meeting. 
 
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SS-24 ELIMINATION: 
CALM BEFORE THE STORM 
--------------------- 
 
5.  (S) Couch opened the Working Group Meeting and welcomed 
the Delegations.  He then turned the floor over to Ukraine to 
comment on the Russian-proposed text on the Ukrainian SS-24 
SRM case elimination issue that had been provided to the 
other delegations at the opening of business today. 
 
6.  (S) Shevtsov noted that JCIC Joint Statement 44 allowed 
for phased eliminations of mobile systems without a Treaty 
amendment.  He said the Ukrainian Delegation had provided its 
proposed Joint Draft Text to the other delegations at the 
July 18, 2008 Working Group Meeting (Ref B).  He highlighted 
the Russian-proposed changes to the draft Ukrainian 
Unilateral Statement on the Non-Transfer of SS-24 ICBMs to 
Third Countries, which had been provided to the other Parties 
 
 
 
 
 
 
at the opening of business this morning.  He noted that the 
United States had urged Ukraine to issue a statement of 
policy, in accordance with these new procedures, that would 
commit Ukraine not to remove any of the rocket motor cases 
eliminated from the national territory of Ukraine without 
prior notification.  Ukraine said it supported the shorter 
Russian-proposed formulation.  Official translations of three 
Ukrainian-proposed texts and three Russian-proposed texts 
follow below. 
 
Begin text of 3 Ukrainian documents (Unilateral Statement): 
 
                                   Official Translation 
 
                                   JCIC-XXXII 
                                   Joint Text 
                                   Ukrainian Side's Draft 
                                   July 18, 2008 
 
                     Unilateral Statement 
 
     In connection with the adoption of Agreement Number 
(blank) and Joint Statement Number (blank) at JCIC-XXXII, the 
Ukrainian side reaffirms its willingness, in the commercial 
use of eliminated cases of SS-24 ICBMs, to comply with the 
START Treaty provisions on non-transfer of items to third 
countries (Art. No. (blank)), as well as MTCR requirements, 
which will preclude the unverified export of such cases 
beyond the national territory. 
 
End text. 
 
Begin text (Joint Statement): 
 
                                    JCIC-XXXII 
                                    Ukrainian-Proposed Text 
                                    July 18, 2008 
 
          JOINT COMPLIANCE AND INSPECTION COMMISSION 
                JOINT STATEMENT NUMBER (Blank) 
 
   ON THE DESTRUCTION OF SS-24 ICBM SOLID ROCKET MOTOR CASES 
                       LOCATED IN UKRAINE 
 
     The Parties, referring to the Treaty between the United 
States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 
on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms 
of July 31, 1991, hereinafter referred to as the Treaty, 
pursuant to paragraph 1 of Section I of the Protocol on 
Procedures Governing the Conversion or Elimination of the 
Items Subject to the Treaty, hereinafter referred to as the 
Conversion or Elimination Protocol, have agreed as follows: 
 
     With respect to subparagraph 4(b) of Section I of the 
Conversion or Elimination Protocol, for SS-24 ICBMs located 
in Ukraine, the elimination of SS-24 ICBM rocket motor cases 
remaining after removal of propellant by a process of washing 
out the propellant and the subsequent burning of residual 
propellant in each case may be carried out through the 
drilling of a total of four holes, each no less than 80mm in 
diameter, through the cylindrical portion of each such case 
near the bottom of the motor case.  Such holes shall be 
positioned in two diametrically opposite groups, each 
consisting of two closely spaced holes in one cross section. 
 
............... (United States of America) 
 
 
 
............... (Republic of Belarus 
............... (Republic of Kazakhstan) 
............... (Russian Federation) 
............... (Ukraine) 
 
End text. 
 
Begin text (Agreement): 
 
                                 JCIC-XXXII 
                                 Ukrainian-proposed Text 
                                 July 18, 2008 
 
         JOINT COMPLIANCE AND INSPECTION COMMISSION 
                  AGREEMENT NUMBER (blank) 
               RELATING TO THE TREATY BETWEEN 
    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNION OF SOVIET 
     SOCIALIST REPUBLICS ON THE REDUCTION AND LIMITATION 
        OF STRATEGIC OFFENSIVE ARMS OF JULY 31, 1991 
 
 ELIMINATION PROCESS FOR ICBMS FOR MOBILE LAUNCHERS OF ICBMS 
 
     The Government of the United States of America, the 
Government of the Republic of Belarus, the Government of the 
Republic of Kazakhstan, the Government of the Russian 
Republic, and the Government of Ukraine, hereinafter referred 
to as the Parties, 
 
     In accordance with the Treaty between the United States 
of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of the 
Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms of July 
31, 1991, hereinafter referred to as the Treaty, 
 
     To improve the viability and effectiveness of the 
Protocol on Procedures Governing the Conversion or 
Elimination of the Items Subject to the Treaty, hereinafter 
referred to as the Conversion or Elimination Protocol, 
 
     Have agreed as follows: 
 
                         Article One 
 
     Paragraph 4 of Section I of the Conversion of 
Elimination Protocol shall be superseded by the following 
provisions: 
 
"4.  Elimination process for ICBMs for mobile launchers of 
ICBMs: 
 
     (a)    if solid fuel has not been removed from stages, 
            the stages shall be destroyed by explosive 
            demolition or burned; 
 
     (b)    Rocket motor nozzles and cases, as well as the 
            interstage skirts of a missile remaining after 
            completion of the procedures provided for in 
            subparagraphs 2(c), 2(d), and 4(a) of this 
Section, 
            or after the completion of static testing 
provided 
            for in paragraph 3 of Section VII of this 
Protocol, 
            shall be crushed, flattened, cut into two pieces 
            of approximately equal size, or destroyed by 
            explosion, or, in the case of rocket motor cases 
            remaining after removal of propellant by a 
 
 
 
process 
            of both washing out and burning out of the 
            propellant, the Parties may agree, upon request 
            of the possessing Party, on procedures for the 
            elimination of such rocket motor cases by 
drilling 
            of holes through the cylindrical portion of such 
            rocket motor cases; and 
 
     (c)    The self-contained dispensing mechanism, as well 
            as the front section, including the reentry 
            vehicle platform and the front section shroud, 
            shall be crushed, flattened, cut into two pieces 
            of approximately equal size, or destroyed by 
            explosion." 
 
                        Article Two 
 
     This Agreement shall enter into force on the date of its 
signature and shall remain in force as long as the Treaty 
remains in force. 
 
     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly 
authorized by their respective Governments, have signed this 
Agreement. 
 
     DONE at Geneva on (BLANK), in five copies, each in the 
English and Russian languages, both texts being equally 
authentic. 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF BELARUS: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KAZAKHSTAN: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE: 
 
End text. 
 
Begin text (first of 3 Russian-proposed documents): 
 
                                      Official Translation 
 
                                      JCIC-XXXII 
                                      Joint Text 
                                      Russian Side's Draft 
                                      July 22, 2008 
 
                Statement of Policy by Ukraine 
     Concerning the Use of Eliminated Cases of SS-24 ICBMs 
 
     In connection with the adoption of Agreement Number 
(Blank) and Joint Statement Number (Blank) at JCIC-XXXII, 
Ukraine undertakes not to transfer eliminated cases of SS-24 
ICBMs to foreign states, their legal entities or natural 
persons, or to international organizations, and not to export 
them beyond the national territory. 
 
End text. 
 
Begin text (2nd Russian-proposed document): 
 
                                      Official Translation 
 
 
 
                                      JCIC-XXXII 
                                      Russian-Proposed Text 
                                      July 21, 2008 
 
          JOINT COMPLIANCE AND INSPECTION COMMISSION 
                   AGREEMENT NUMBER (BLANK) 
                RELATING TO THE TREATY BETWEEN 
     THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNION OF SOVIET 
      SOCIALIST REPUBLICS ON THE REDUCTION AND LIMITATION 
         OF STRATEGIC OFFENSIVE ARMS OF JULY 31, 1991 
 
       CHANGES TO SECTION I OF THE CONVERSION AND (SIC) 
                    ELIMINATION PROTOCOL 
 
     The Government of the United States of America, the 
Government of the Republic of Belarus, the Government of the 
Republic of Kazakhstan, the Government of the Russian 
Federation, and the Government of Ukraine, hereinafter 
referred to as the Parties, 
 
     In accordance with the Treaty between the United States 
of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the 
Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms of July 
31, 1991, hereinafter referred to as the Treaty, 
 
     To improve the viability and effectiveness of the 
Protocol on Procedures Governing the Conversion or 
Elimination of the Items Subject to the Treaty, hereinafter 
referred to as the Conversion or Elimination Protocol, 
 
     Have agreed as follows: 
 
                         Article One 
 
     Subparagraph 4(b) of Section I of the Conversion or 
Elimination Protocol shall be superseded by the following 
provisions: 
 
     "(b)  Rocket motor nozzles and cases, as well as the 
interstage skirts of a missile remaining after completion of 
the procedures provided for in subparagraphs 2(c) and (d), 
and subparagraph 4(a) of this Section, or after the 
completion of static testing provided for in paragraph 3 of 
Section VII of this Protocol, shall be crushed, flattened, 
cut into two pieces of approximately equal size, or destroyed 
by explosion, or, in the case of rocket motor cases remaining 
after removal of propellant by processes of washing out and 
subsequently burning out residual propellant, the Parties 
shall agree on procedures for the elimination of such rocket 
motor cases, consisting of drilling holes through the 
cylindrical portion of such rocket motor cases; and" 
 
                          Article Two 
 
     This Agreement shall enter into force on the date of its 
signature and shall remain in force as long as the Treaty 
remains in force. 
 
     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly 
authorized by their respective Governments, have signed this 
Agreement. 
 
     DONE at Geneva on (BLANK) in five copies, each in the 
English and Russian languages, both texts being equally 
authentic. 
 
 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF BELARUS: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KAZAKHSTAN: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION: 
 
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE: 
 
End text. 
 
Begin text (3rd Russian-proposed document): 
 
                                    Official Translation 
 
                                    JCIC-XXXII 
                                    Russian-Proposed Text 
                                    July 21, 2008 
 
          JOINT COMPLIANCE AND INSPECTION COMMISSION 
                JOINT STATEMENT NUMBER (BLANK) 
 
  ON THE DESTRUCTION OF SS-24 ICBM SOLID ROCKET MOTOR CASES 
                      LOCATED IN UKRAINE 
 
     The Parties, referring to the Treaty between the United 
States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 
on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms 
of July 31, 1991, hereinafter referred to as the Treaty, 
pursuant to paragraph 1 of Section I of the Protocol on 
Procedures Governing the Conversion or Elimination of the 
Items Subject to the Treaty, hereinafter referred to as the 
Conversion or Elimination Protocol, have agreed as follows: 
 
     With respect to subparagraph 4(b) of Section I of the 
Conversion or Elimination Protocol, for SS-24 ICBMs located 
in Ukraine, the elimination of SS-24 ICBM rocket motor cases 
remaining after removal of propellant (by a process of 
washing out the propellant, and the subsequent burning out of 
residual propellant) ((by processes of washing out and 
subsequently burning out residual propellant)) in each case 
may be carried out through the drilling of a total of four 
holes, each* no less than 80mm in diameter, through the 
cylindrical portion of each such motor case** near the bottom 
of the motor case.  Such holes shall be positioned in two 
diametrically opposite groups, each consisting of two closely 
spaced holes in one cross section. 
 
...............(United States of America) 
...............(Republic of Belarus 
...............(Republic of Kazakhstan) 
...............(Russian Federation) 
...............(Ukraine) 
 
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*  Translator's note: The word "each" is not reflected in the 
Russian text. 
** Translator's note:  The word "case" was left out of the 
Russian text. Presumably a typographical error. 
 
End text. 
 
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WHAT'S IN A WORD? 
"MAY, SHALL, OR SHOULD" 
----------------------- 
 
7.  (S) Couch questioned the language in Article One, 
Subparagraph 4(b) of the Russian-proposed agreement.  In 
particular, he questioned the Russian deletion of the word 
"may" and replacing it with the word "shall" in the phrase 
"...the Parties shall agree on procedures for the elimination 
of such rocket motor cases,..."  He said the word "may" was 
an important distinction that should remain. 
 
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SS-24 ELIMINATION:  THE STORM 
----------------------------- 
 
8.  (S) Ryzhkov said the Russian Delegation wanted to replace 
the word "shall"" with "may" so that the new procedures being 
established to eliminate Ukraine's SS-24 ICBMs could be 
expanded to include all types of mobile missiles such as the 
Topol (SS-25), Topol M (SS-27), and Peacekeeper ICBMs.  He 
said other options could be agreed upon, such as varying the 
number and size of holes required to be drilled.  Ryzhkov 
said the Russian Delegation would work on the draft text and 
respond later. 
 
9.  (S) Couch said that the U.S. Delegation would study all 
three draft documents: the policy statement, the agreement, 
and the joint statement that each of the parties had 
provided.  He said the primary concern remained the use of 
the word "may" in the draft agreement.  He said, after 
review, the Parties could again take up this issue. 
 
10.  (U) Documents exchanged. 
 
- Russia: 
 
    -- Russian-Proposed Text "Statement of Policy by Ukraine 
Concerning the Use of Eliminated Cases of SS-24 ICBMs," dated 
July 21, 2008; 
 
    -- Russian-Proposed Text of a JCIC Agreement on "Changes 
to Section I of the Conversion and (sic) Elimination 
Protocol, dated July 21, 2008; and 
 
    -- Russian-Proposed Joint Statement "On the Destruction 
of SS-24 ICBM Solid Rocket Motor Cases Located in Ukraine," 
dated July 21, 2008. 
 
- Ukraine: 
 
    -- Ukrainian Unilateral Statement of Policy on 
Non-Transfer of SS-24 ICBMs to Third Countries, dated July 
18, 2008; 
 
    -- Ukrainian-Proposed Joint Statement "On the Destruction 
of SS-24 ICBM Solid Rocket Motor Cases Located in Ukraine," 
dated July 18, 2008; and 
 
    -- Ukrainian-Proposed Text of a JCIC Agreement on 
"Elimination Process for ICBMs for Mobile Launchers of 
ICBMs," dated July 18, 2008. 
 
11.  (U) Participants: 
 
U.S. 
 
 
 
Mr. Couch 
Ms. Bosco 
Mr. Brown 
Lt Col Comeau 
Mr. DeNinno 
Mr. Dunn 
Mr. Edinger 
Mr. Fortier 
Maj Gondol 
Mr. Hanchett 
Mr. Johnston 
LTC Oppenheim 
Mr. Smith 
Mr. Tessier 
Mr. Vogel 
Mr. Yaguchi 
Mr. French (Int) 
 
KAZAKHSTAN 
 
Col Akhmetalin 
 
RUSSIA 
 
Col Ryzhkov 
Mr. Akulenok 
Ms. Kotkova 
CAPT (1st Rank) Kuz'min 
Col Novikov 
Mr. Shevchenko 
Mr. Smirnov 
Col Zaytsev 
Ms. Komshilova (Int) 
 
UKRAINE 
 
Dr. Shevtsov 
Mr. Bodarenko 
Mr. Demidenko 
Mr. Dotsenko 
 
12.  (U) Taylor sends. 
TICHENOR 
 
 
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