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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 USNATO 000177 
 
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/12/2017 
TAGS: PREL PARM NATO KCFE OSCE
SUBJECT: NATO/VCC: MARCH 8 VCC EXPERTS MEETING 
 
REF: A) STATE 29006 B) AC/319-WP(2006)0015-REV1(CFE) 
 
Classified By: Political Advisor Stu Seldowitz for reasons 1.4 (b/d). 
 
 
¶1.  (C) Summary: After the U.S. representative executed 
guidance, the experts agreed (ad ref for Germany, whose 
representative agreed but stated that he had to go back to 
Berlin for full approval) that revision 2 of reference B 
would focus in Annex 1 of table B as directly answering the 
tasking, but that there would be an Annex 2 containing the 
pertinent information from the other tables in REV 1 of 
reference B.  A line-by-line review of each vehicle entry in 
REV1 of Reference B identified numerous small changes to be 
made.  The staff will issue a revised POET paper (REV 2) in 
the near future, and if there are not major problems 
identified by states, REV 2 will go under silence for the 
next VCC.  The staff had planned on discussing digital 
cameras, GPS, and "Reporting BRM-Ks," but too many states, 
including the U.S. had not known this and the discussion was 
deferred until the experts meeting on the morning of the 29 
March VCC.  End Summary. 
 
¶2.  (C) Tables: 
 
In all Tables, the column currently entitled "Allies 
Submitting Change/Comment" will be deleted; 
 
¶A.  Table A will now appear in Annex 2 as useful information 
for Vienna, but not the direct response to their specific 
tasking; and 
 
-- The BRM-1S will be deleted since it is declared by Russia 
as an AIFV look-a-like 
 
¶B.  Table B will be in Annex 1 of REV 2 and is the basic 
answer to the tasking; 
 
-- TLE in Table B that are variants of TLE already listed in 
the POET will be deleted; 
 
-- Nations were requested to provide locations where vehicles 
in Table B were observed by inspectors (DTRA representative 
at the meeting has already done this); 
 
-- A vehicle observed by Germany at an inspection in 
Roshchinskiy in Russia (briefed at the beginning of the 
meeting), the BTR-60 R-145BM (a BTR 60 APC changed in 
appearance to incorporate a BTR-80 engine), will be added to 
Table B. 
 
-- BTR-D G will be deleted from Table B as the BTR-D 
(including all models) is already in the POET; and 
 
--  MT-LB 9P149 and MT-LB SA-13 (Strela 10) will be deleted 
from Table B because they were in existence when the Treaty 
was signed and were not included after extensive discussions. 
 
¶C.  Table C will be in Annex 2 as useful information for 
Vienna, but not the direct response to their specific 
tasking; and 
 
--MT-LB (MT-LBu) ARK  will be moved from Table C to Table B; 
 
-- BMP-1 IPR will be moved to Table B as an AIFV look-alike; 
and 
 
-- BMD-1 P, BMP-1 K, BMP-1 P, BMP-1 PK and BMP-2 K will be 
deleted from Table C because they are variants of TLE already 
listed in the POET. 
 
¶D.  Table D will be in Annex 2 as useful information for 
Vienna, but not the direct response to their specific 
tasking; and 
 
-- Where missing in REV 1, the comments will now show from 
were information came (e.g., "open sources/Internet"); 
 
-- References in comments to "Russian exchange of photographs 
from 1990" will be changed to read "Soviet exchange . . " and 
 
-- BMP-2 BMO-1 and MT-LB (MT-LBu) TMPK will be moved to Table 
B since they have been observed by inspectors. 
 
¶E.  Table E will be in Annex 2 as useful information for 
Vienna, but not the direct response to their specific 
tasking; 
 
 
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-- The title of Table E will now refer to equipment in the 
developmental stage, as these items could be under R&D or 
manufacturer's T&E; 
 
-- A vehicle observed by Germany at an inspection in 
Roshchinskiy in Russia (briefed at the beginning of the 
meeting), the BTR-80 R-439BK1 SATCOM, will be added to Table 
E; and 
 
-- BTR-80 COBRA-K will be changed to BTR-70 COBRA-K. 
 
¶F. Table F will be deleted completely. 
 
¶3.  (SBU)  Later, after the meeting, in response to inquiries 
from Mr. In Den Bosch (the meeting chair), the U.S. 
representative suggested that the staff circulate REV 2 as 
soon as possible and determine quickly whether states had 
major problems with the changes (and in particular whether 
Germany could accept the new two-annex format).  Then, if 
there were major problems, the experts could meet again on 29 
March, but if there were not, a clean version could be put on 
silence for 29 March at the VCC.  The impression received was 
that this suggestion would be followed, but that is not fully 
certain. 
NULAND