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Viewing cable 06ASHGABAT906, KAZAKHSTANI FOREIGN MINISTER TO VISIT TURKMENISTAN

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06ASHGABAT906 2006-08-25 12:31 2011-08-30 01:44 CONFIDENTIAL Embassy Ashgabat
VZCZCXRO1082
PP RUEHDBU
DE RUEHAH #0906/01 2371231
ZNY CCCCC ZZH
P 251231Z AUG 06
FM AMEMBASSY ASHGABAT
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 7726
INFO RHEFDIA/DIA WASHINGTON DC//DHO-2/REA/NMJIC-J2// PRIORITY
RUEAIIA/CIA WASHDC PRIORITY
RUEKJCS/JOINT STAFF WASHINGTON DC//J5/RUE// PRIORITY
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RUCNCIS/CIS COLLECTIVE
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ASHGABAT 000906 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SIPDIS 
 
DEPT FOR SCA/CEN (PERRY) 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 08/25/2016 
TAGS: KZ MNUC PHUM PREL TX ETRA
SUBJECT: KAZAKHSTANI FOREIGN MINISTER TO VISIT TURKMENISTAN 
AUGUST 31 TO "THAW THE ICE" 
 
REF: A. (A) PERRY/BRUSH 8/18/06 EMAIL 
 
     B. (B) 05 ASHGABAT 118 
     C. (C) 04 ASHGABAT 1093 
     D. (D) 04 ASHGABAT 999 
     E. (E) ASHGABAT 415 
     F. (F) ASHGABAT 162 
 
Classified By: Charge d'Affaires Jennifer L. Brush, for reasons 1.4 (b) 
 and (d) 
 
Summary 
----------- 
 
1.  (C) Kazakhstani Ambassador to Turkmenistan Murat Atanov 
told Charge on August 21 that Foreign Minister Tokayev is 
scheduled to visit Ashgabat August 31.  According to Atanov, 
Tokayev's mission will be to "thaw the ice" of Kazakhstan's 
relations with Turkmenistan.  Atanov subsequently told Charge 
on August 24 Tokayev also will try to persuade President 
Niyazov to sign a Central Asian Nuclear Weapons Free Zone 
agreement.  Relations between Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are 
strained, with little to no bilateral or regional 
cooperation.  Nazarbayev requested a visit to Turkmenistan 
over two years ago and Niyazov apparently has yet to 
acknowledge the request.  The borders remain largely 
non-delineated.  Local ethnic Kazakhs complain of increasing 
discrimination.  Trade is minimal, mostly consisting of 
private shuttle trader importation of Kazakh flour. 
Turkmenistan's relations with Kazakhstan mostly are no better 
or worse than its relations with the rest of its neighbors. 
End Summary. 
 
Tokayev Visit 
----------------- 
 
2.  (C) At a party celebrating Russian Ambassador Blatov's 
60th birthday, Kazakhstani Ambassador Atanov told Charge his 
Foreign Minister Tokayev was scheduled to visit Ashgabat 
August 31.  According to Atanov, Tokayev wants to "thaw the 
ice" of Kazakhstan's frosty relations with Turkmenistan. 
Atanov said that Tokayev's visit first and foremost would be 
to lay the foundations for President Nazarbayev to visit 
Turkmenistan.  In response to Charge's question, Atanov 
affirmed that Nazarbayev had written to Niyazov over two 
years ago requesting a visit and that Niyazov never had 
responded.  Atanov subsequently told Charge on August 24 
Tokayev also would try to persuade Niyazov to sign a Central 
Asian Nuclear Weapons Free Zone agreement. 
 
3.  (C) As a matter of record, Niyazov intensely dislikes all 
of his Central Asian counterparts.  During a February 2005 
meeting with former DAS Kennedy (ref b), Niyazov insisted 
that Turkmenistan did well by comparison to the rest of 
Central Asia.  While the other Central Asian countries were 
characterized by high crime, unemployment and high levels of 
trafficking in persons, Turkmenistan was stable and crime 
free.  "Our women are not reduced to seeking humiliating 
work," he said.  In response to the DAS's comment that 
political freedoms were greater in other Central Asian 
countries, Niyazov said, "if there were free and open 
elections, those guys (the current leaders in Central Asia) 
would all end up in jail."  Niyazov accused Karimov and 
Nazarbayev of being mixed up in crime and corruption and 
being pawns of the "businessmeni."  Though he did not throw 
Tajikistani President Rakhmonov into this group, he dismissed 
him as "a peasant."  Niyazov noted all the current Central 
Asian leaders were tired and the only thing preventing them 
from retiring was fear of going to prison. 
 
4.  (C) Niyazov set a precedent for meeting with his 
colleagues regardless of his dislike for them, when he agreed 
to meet with President of Uzbekistan Karimov in Bukhara in 
November 2004 (ref c).  Then Uzbekistani Charge Rasulov told 
embassy Karimov had requested the meeting after an increase 
in border skirmishes.  During the Bukhara meeting Karimov and 
Niyazov signed agreements on water, borders and friendship. 
A few months following the meeting, the first Uzbekistani 
ambassador since the 2002 assassination attempt presented his 
credentials to Niyazov.  Though Niyazov apparently still 
"hates" Karimov, at least relations between Turkmenistan and 
Uzbekistan are less tense than prior to the Bukhara meeting. 
 
Dog Days 
------------ 
 
ASHGABAT 00000906  002 OF 003 
 
 
 
5.  (C) Relations between Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan never 
reached the nadir of the latter's relations with Uzbekistan. 
Nevertheless, relations between the two have been steadily 
declining since both declared independence in 1991. 
Relations hit their most absurd point in July 2005 when 
departing Kazakhstani Ambassador Gizzatov was accused of 
smuggling Turkmenistan's prized Alabay sheepdogs into 
Kazakhstan.  The Kazakhstani DCM at the time vehemently 
denied any wrongdoing and told DCM the case was completely 
trumped up to discredit Kazakhstan.  When Charge mentioned 
this incident to Atanov at the August 21 event, Atanov just 
laughed saying, "The Alabay dogs are descended from Kazakh 
dogs, they were our dogs to begin with, but anyway the 
incident was just more Turkmen theater." 
 
Backroom Flour and Great Mud 
-------------------------------------- 
 
6.  (C) The most visible sign of Kazakhstan's trade with 
Turkmenistan is the omnipresence and superiority of 
Kazakhstani flour.  Long the bread basket of the former 
Soviet Union, Kazakhstan's "Sarybay" and "Amangeldi" brand 
flour are the most popular brands of flour sold in 
Turkmenistan.  Though the president's agricultural policy is 
one of self-sufficiency with an inefficient and irrational 
emphasis on flour and cotton, Turkmenistan's flour is not 
considered high-quality.  According to locals, Turkmenistan's 
flour only is suitable for making the local flatbread 
"corek."  Kazakhstani flour is used for all other baking 
needs.  Apparently importation of Kazakhstan's flour mainly 
is conducted by shuttle-traders, acknowledging the 
superiority of Kazakhstan's flour would be out of keeping 
with the president's emphasis on the excellence of all things 
Turkmen.  That has not stopped authorities from trying to tax 
the imported flour, however.  After an imported flour tax was 
introduced in 2005, for a month or so, Kazakhstani flour only 
was sold in backrooms.  Now apparently a mechanism has been 
established and Kazakhstani flour is available in abundance, 
although at a significant premium, throughout Turkmenistan. 
 
7.  (U) During embassy,s recent trip to Turkmenbashy 
(septel), emboffs saw large amounts, probably nearly a 
thousand large sacks, of Kazakh drilling mud at storage 
facilities used by Petronas to support its drilling 
operations in the Caspian Sea.  While complaining about poor 
packaging, Petronas subcontractors raised no complaints about 
the quality of Kazakh drilling mud and appeared to expect 
continued supplies to arrive from Kazakhstan. 
 
Unmarked Borders 
----------------------- 
 
8.  (C) Turkmenistan's border with Kazakhstan, never formally 
delineated under the Soviet Union, still is not clearly 
marked.  As reported ref d, negotiations between the two 
countries over Caspian Sea delimitation has been stalled 
since July 2003.  Turkmenistan also has formally protested 
the Kazakhstani-Azerbaijani bilateral delimitation agreement, 
claiming five points along the agreed upon line actually 
belonged to Turkmenistan. 
 
9.  (U) During an April visit to the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan 
border, accompanied by StateBorder Guard (SBS) officials, 
embassy's EXBS Advisor found much of the border unmarked. 
SBS officials also told EXBS that there were ten disputed 
border areas along the border.  The lone dirt road wove into 
and out of Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and even Uzbekistan with 
no border crossing points along the way.  According to the 
SBS officials, because the road was off-limits to anyone but 
border officials anyway, the lack of markings was not an 
urgent issue for any of the three governments. 
Pipelines 
---------- 
 
10.  (C) During most conversations about gas, Government of 
Turkmenistan officials complain bitterly about the poor 
infrastructure of Uzbekistan's and Kazakhstan's pipelines, 
through which Turkmenistan's gas has to pass to reach its 
Russian, Ukrainian and ultimately European markets. 
According to Turkmenistan's officials, the volume of export 
of Turkmenistan's gas only is limited by the small capacity 
and crumbling infrastructure of its neighbors-to-the-north's 
pipelines.  Government of Turkmenistan officials frequently 
 
ASHGABAT 00000906  003 OF 003 
 
 
remind visitors that Turkmenistan has invested considerably 
in modernizing and increasing the pipeline capacity within 
Turkmenistan, (note:  though foreign oil and gas firms 
working in Turkmenistan think much more needs to be done). 
 
11.  (C) In response to Charge's question at the August 21 
event, Atanov said that Kazakhstan would welcome a pipeline 
from Turkmenistan's gas reserves along the Amu Darya, through 
Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, to China. 
 
Treatment of Kazakh Minority 
------------------------------------ 
 
12.  (C) The most sensitive issue between the two governments 
is Turkmenistan's treatment of its ethnic Kazakh minority. 
According to Atonov, of the 150,000 Kazakhs residing in 
Turkmenistan before independence, all but 40,000 have left. 
Mainly settled in Turkmenbashy (formerly Krasnovodsk or Kizil 
Su), before independence Kazakhs had Kazakh language schools 
and media.  Now the schools are closed and all education is 
in Turkmen.  Poloffs traveling to the northwest corner of 
Turkmenistan earlier this year found an entire Kazakh village 
(known locally as "Kazak Obasy") deserted.  Local employees 
say there also used to be Kazah villages outside of 
Turkmenabat, Ashgabat and Dashoguz, which had Kazakh schools, 
but Kazakhs have been slowly abandoning these villages.  The 
head of the local "Kazakh Diaspora" community Bagyt 
Begdesonova wrote to the embassy earlier this year 
complaining that ethnic Kazakh citizens of Turkmenistan 
studying in Kazakhstan were being harassed by Government of 
Turkmenistan Embassy officials, who were threatening them if 
they did not come back to Turkmenistan to do their military 
service.  Embassy could not independently confirm this story, 
however. 
 
13.  (C) During a January 20 meeting (ref f), Mayor of 
Turkmenbashy Ashyrniyaz Pomanov assured DCM that though 
Kazakh language classes were available, they were poorly 
subscribed because local Kazakhs were "begging" to learn 
Turkmen. 
 
CANWFZ 
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14.  (C) At the August 24 Ukrainian National Day reception, 
Atanov told Charge Tokayev also would try to persuade Niyazov 
to sign a Central Asia Nuclear Weapons Free Zone agreement. 
Atanov said Turkmenistan was the only hold out in Central 
Asia regarding this agreement.  In a separate conversation UK 
Charge Chris Bowden reminded Charge that Turkmenistan had 
refused to sign the agreement in 2005 after being demarched 
by the UK. 
 
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15.  (C) Niyazov may use Turkmenistan's status of "permanent 
neutrality" to avoid signing the CANWFZ.  Turkmenistan's 
constitution specifically prohibits the development, storage 
or use of weapons of mass destruction, possibly making a 
CANWFZ redundant from Niyazov's point of view.  And finally, 
Niyazov is allergic to regional cooperation in any area. 
 
16.  (C) In terms of Turkmenistan's overall relations with 
Kazakhstan, a Nazarbayev visit, like the Niyazov/Karimov 
summit in 2004, might settle some border disputes, but is 
unlikely to accomplish much more. 
BRUSH