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Viewing cable 06JEDDAH128, SAUDI YOUTH: LESSONS FROM JEDDAH'S "SHABBAB"

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06JEDDAH128 2006-02-08 14:52 2011-08-30 01:44 CONFIDENTIAL Consulate Jeddah
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PP RUEHBC RUEHDBU RUEHDE RUEHKUK RUEHLH RUEHMOS RUEHPW
DE RUEHJI #0128/01 0391452
ZNY CCCCC ZZH
P 081452Z FEB 06
FM AMCONSUL JEDDAH
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 8792
INFO RUCNISL/ISLAMIC COLLECTIVE
RUEHRH/AMEMBASSY RIYADH 6147
RUEAIIA/CIA WASHDC
RUEKJCS/DIA WASHDC
RHEHAAA/NSC WASHDC
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 06 JEDDAH 000128 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SIPDIS 
 
RIYADH, PLEASE PASS TO DHAHRAN; PARIS FOR ZEYA; LONDON FOR 
TSOU; DEPARTMENT FOR NEA/ARP; DEPARTMENT FOR U/S HUGHES; 
 
SIPDIS 
DEPARTMENT FOR PDAS CHENEY; DEPARTMENT FOR A/S WELCH 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/16/2016 
TAGS: KISL CVIS PTER SCUL PREL SA
SUBJECT: SAUDI YOUTH: LESSONS FROM JEDDAH'S "SHABBAB" 
 
REF: A. 05 JEDDAH 3996 
     B. JEDDAH 98 
     C. JEDDAH 3663 
     D. JEDDAH 2495 
     E. 05 JEDDAH 575 
     F. 05 JEDDAH 4442 
     G. JEDDAH 11 
     H. JEDDAH 24 
     I. JEDDAH 53 
     J. 05 JEDDAH 3665 
     K. 05 JEDDAH 4639 
     L. 05 JEDDAH 2596 
     M. 05 JEDDAH 4978 
     N. JEDDAH 03 
     O. JEDDAH 04 
     P. JEDDAH 99 
     Q. 05 JEDDAH 4308 
     R. 05 JEDDAH 4897 
 
Classified By: CONSUL GENERAL TATIANA C. GFOELLER FOR REASONS 
1.4 (b) AND (d). 
 
1. (C) SUMMARY.  After more than one year of spending time 
with Jeddah's "shabbab" (roughly, guys or young men), Poloff 
has noted some consistent themes common to many of the city's 
youth.  Over the course of numerous road trips to places like 
Mecca, Medina, Taif, and al-Hada, visits to college classes 
at several universities, and countless hours of hanging out 
at restaurants, private homes, mosques, gyms, and city 
streets, it is evident that Jeddah's "shabbab" are facing 
significant social, cultural, economic, and political 
challenges.  Cognizant that this generation of Saudi young 
men is viewed as lost and aimless by their own people and as 
possible terrorists by the rest of the world, Jeddawi 
"shabbab" often note their generation has been humbled by the 
political and social developments swirling around them. 
Regardless of whether they are middle and lower class 
students at Jeddah colleges or affluent young businessmen 
from the city's leading merchant families in Jeddah's 
trendiest restaurants, these young men in their late teens 
and twenties have a great deal to say about the future of 
their country and its relationship to the rest of the world. 
END SUMMARY. 
 
YOUNG MEN RESPECT KING, RESENT ROYAL FAMILY AND SAG 
 
2. (C) Even before King Abdullah's accession to the throne in 
August, 2005 following the death of King Fahd, Jeddawi young 
men consistently praised Abdullah.  Viewed as honest, caring, 
and incorruptible by many, it can be difficult to find young 
Jeddawis criticizing the King.  As Post has often reported, 
young men frequently express respect, and even affection, for 
King Abdullah.  For example, during one "sahoor" (meal 
preceding the fast during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan) 
with Jeddawi college students, one young man stated: "You 
know I am a rebel.  But I have to say that with King 
Abdullah, the focus is on education.  The situation is coming 
very good in Saudi Arabia, more stable.  The people are 
happy." (Ref. A).  A young businessman recently told Poloff: 
"You should hear when he talks, you can feel how much he 
loves the people.  He is always thinking about the people. 
He is like one of our grandparents who sits with us in the 
room and says nice things." (Ref. B).  His Saudi buddy 
declared that if men like King Abdullah reigned, "the al-Saud 
can stay for 1,000 years."  Jeddawi young men often praise 
the King, illustrating that it is possible for senior members 
of the royal family to bride the generational divide between 
them and theirKingdom's increasingly young population. 
 
3. (C)Just as it is difficult to find Jeddawi youth willig 
to crticize the king, it can be difficult to ocate a young 
man praising Crown Prince Sultan o Interior Minister Prince 
Naif.  The same man wh stated that the al-Saud can reign for 
1,000 years with men like King Abdullah added: "But you need 
to know people do not like Prince Sultan.  It will be very 
bad if he comes." (Ref. B).  Young Jeddawis often criticize 
Crown Prince Sultan for being greedy and for "not being a 
very good Muslim," with occasional unsubstantiated whispers 
of excessive drinking, drug use, and even pedophilia.  The 
crown prince's enormous palace in the center of a busy 
commercial and residential area of Jeddah, which stands empty 
much of the year, has become a symbol of his allegedly 
excessive tastes.  "Have you seen Sultan's palace?" is a 
common line used by students criticizing excessive spending 
by the royal family.  If Jeddawi young men mock Crown Prince 
 
JEDDAH 00000128  002 OF 006 
 
 
Sultan, many express genuine fear of Interior Minister Prince 
Naif.  For example, while on a road trip to Medina with a 
group of Jeddah undergraduates, one student mocked Crown 
Prince Sultan's weight.  "Prince Sultan, I don't think he is 
very good," another student concluded.  One young man added 
that at least other leading royals are not "as scary as 
Prince Nayif" (Ref. C).  Poloff has often heard "shabbab" 
refer to Prince Nayif as "like Saddam Hussein" or "our 
Saddam."  Others have used the Arabic adjective "khateer" 
(dangerous) when his name is mentioned.  One young 
businessman asked Poloff if Prince Nayif would be required to 
have biometric fingerprints taken when applying for a US visa 
like other applicants.  "Don't tell me you would call Prince 
Nayif in for fingerprints.  That would be so funny.  His name 
is called, and here comes Saddam Hussein to window number 
nine for fingerprints to get his visa.  He would be mad." 
 
4. (C) In conversations with Jeddawi "shabbab" over the past 
year, praise for the terrorists currently engaging in gun 
battles with Saudi police and security officers has been 
nearly non-existent.  Even among those actively criticizing 
the SAG, anger at the terrorists, particularly for targeting 
Saudi security officers and fellow Muslims, is palpable.  For 
instance, citing battles between Saudi security forces and 
terrorists, one student told Poloff he is "tired" by 
terrorist attacks in the Kingdom (Ref. P).  "I am tired of 
it.  I am tired of them killing Muslims.  I get angry at 
them, too."  While many Jeddawi young people criticize the 
SAG, few "shabbab" Poloff met can envision a life under 
al-Qaeda.  For young Saudis unhappy with the SAG but fearful 
of the terrorists opposing the royal family, a political 
vacuum clearly exists that has yet to be filled. 
 
YOUNG MEN STRUGGLE WITH DEMOCRACY, BUT WANT SAG TO GIVE THEM 
A SAY 
 
5. (C) Often criticizing the SAG for being inefficient, 
corrupt, and unable to solve the country's problems, Jeddawi 
young men consistently state that they want a greater say in 
the country's affairs.  For example, while on a trip with a 
large group of undergraduates to Hada Mountain located in the 
mountains between Mecca and Taif, one young man told Poloff: 
"Sometimes, I wish I could send a message to President Bush 
with all that is in my heart."  When Poloff told the student 
that he could send the President an e-mail message through 
the White House website, he replied: "They would kill me here 
if I did that."  Later, the young man approached Poloff and 
stated: "I need to tell you the one thing we hate about our 
government is that they never let us speak our mind.  This is 
the message I want you to tell President Bush" (Ref. D).  On 
the drive back to Jeddah, one group of students sang Arabic 
songs to the beat of rhythmic clapping and a traditional 
Yemeni drum.  During a break in the singing, the driver of 
the car commented to Poloff: "This government will never 
listen to anyone else.  The al-Saud will never listen to us." 
 
6. (C) The desire to have a greater say in Saudi society does 
not automatically translate into support for democracy.  For 
example, while accompanying a group of approximately 20 
undergraduates to a voter registration site in advance of 
Jeddah's landmark April, 2005 municipal council elections, 
the young men expressed apathy about receiving their first 
voter registration cards and accurately predicted low voter 
turnout among young men (Ref. E).  One student stated that he 
did not believe that his voting would affect issues important 
to him, such as obtaining a good job after graduation or the 
war in Iraq.  "These elections mean nothing to us.  We will 
get nothing," one young man declared bluntly.  Another 
questioned the value of elections, stating: "We don't trust 
democracy because it leads to massacres.  Look at what is 
happening in Iraq."  Young men from a student discussion 
group at Jeddah's King Abdulaziz University (KAAU) that 
Poloff occasionally meets with had mixed views of the Jeddah 
Municipal Council elections (Ref. F).  When asked if they 
voted in the Jeddah elections, the young men explained they 
are under 21 and thus too young to vote.  "If I could have 
voted, I wouldn't have because I think the elections were 
just a game," one student concluded.  Two of his friends, 
however, stated that they would have voted if they were old 
enough. 
 
7. (C) While recently meeting with a group of undergraduate 
leaders from Jeddah's College of Business Administration 
(CBA) in advance of the school's second ever student body 
elections, the young men were skeptical of the success of 
 
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democracy on their campus.  While supporting the idea of 
elections at their college, the students explained that the 
school's first round of elections last year was a negative 
experience that ended in what they described as the "removal" 
of the student body president from office due to alleged 
misconduct (Ref. G).  In interactions with Jeddawi young men 
at places like the polling center and CBA, Poloff has 
observed that many illustrate a quick familiarity with, and 
fondness for, the electoral process.  At the same time, they 
express doubt about how much power the resulting bodies, like 
CBA's Student Body Council or the Jeddah Municipal Council, 
will be granted by the relevant authorities.  However, as 
Saudi young men participate in elections they consistently 
state they expect more elections to take place in the future 
and they expect their electoral choices to increase rather 
than decrease. 
 
"SHABBAB" WORRIED ABOUT GETTING A JOB 
 
8. (C) Despite the current Saudi economic boom and high oil 
prices, Jeddah's "shabbab" often fret about their job 
prospects.  While such sentiments are common in any society 
as young people consider their options for the future and 
attempt to decide which paths to take in life, these concerns 
are heightened in Saudi Arabia due to the perception that 
today's generation of Saudi young men will face a more 
difficult time achieving the economic security of their 
fathers at a time when the Saudi population is growing 
rapidly.  For example, while on a Hada Mountain trip, the 
undergraduate students expressed concerns throughout the day 
about their employment prospects after graduation.  "I will 
do anything.  Give me anything-- typing, secretary stuff-- to 
keep me busy," said one student who wished to work in the 
computer industry (Ref. D).  "I don't know if I will get a 
job.  The situation here is very hard and if you are not from 
the right family, it is hard to get a good job," another 
said.  Young men often complain that the best jobs go to 
young Saudis with "wasta" (influence), such as sons of 
Jeddah's leading merchant families. 
 
9. (C) With a rapidly growing population and the 
understanding that today's generation of Saudi young men will 
have to work harder than their fathers, Post has reported 
that some young Saudis are turning to work that they 
previously left to foreign workers such as positions as auto 
mechanics and servers (Refs. H & I).  30-something 
businessman and former Jeddah Municipal Council elections 
candidate Majid bin Ayed al-Ayed told Poloff that young Saudi 
men are taking jobs that even men in al-Ayed's generation 
would refuse to do.  "This generation is different," he 
stated.  "I think it really changed right after my 
generation.  There is still money in this country today, but 
it is not the same as before.  The services we used to get 
for free and the opportunity, it is not the same."  While 
Saudi economic realities may mean that Jeddawi "shabbab" are 
more humble than their older brothers and fathers in 
considering the types of jobs they may have to take, it is 
likely that finding adequate jobs for young people will be 
one of the Kingdom's main challenges in the years to come. 
Many young Saudis appear to be banking their hopes on a US 
education to give them a leg up in the job market, and last 
year's announcement by the SAG of thousands of additional 
scholarships to American universities is the topic young 
people most often discuss with Poloff.  For example, one 
student in Medina told Poloff:  "This is my big chance.  If I 
get the scholarship, I can get an American degree.  Then I 
can work for Saudia Airlines or Aramco.  Then I can get 
married.  It all depends on this scholarship." 
 
REGIONAL DISTINCTIONS IMPORTANT TO YOUNG JEDDAWIS 
 
10. (C) With schools attempting to instill a sense of 
national identity in a country where patriotism has generally 
been muted, today's generation of Jeddawi young men identify 
far more strongly with national symbols and institutions like 
the Saudi national flag, the national anthem, the army, and, 
above all, the Saudi national football team than previous 
generations.  Poloff has visited high schools featuring huge 
murals of Saudi flags and members of the royal family. 
Students have occasionally sung the Saudi national anthem 
together in front of Poloff while hanging out.  Saudi Boy 
Scouts are active in many secondary schools, with the 
organization focusing on instilling patriotism in young men. 
On the first Saudi National Day celebrated as a national 
public holiday in September, Poloff observed crowds of young 
 
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men cruising Jeddah's Corniche and trendy Tahlia Street 
waiving Saudi flags and holding portraits of King Abdullah 
and Crown Prince Sultan (though some Consulate contacts 
claimed the Ministry of Interior was behind the public 
displays of patriotism) (Ref. J).  At the same time, young 
Jeddawis are acutely aware of regional differences within the 
Kingdom and often identify themselves as Jeddawis or Hejazis 
before stating they are Saudi.  Given the Hejaz's distinctive 
diversity after centuries of immigration to the Arabian 
Peninsula by Muslim pilgrims from around the world, Jeddawi 
young men are quick to point out the factors that make them 
different from the rest of Saudi Arabia.  They frequently 
argue that they are more diverse, more cosmopolitan, and more 
moderate than people in other regions of the Kingdom. 
 
11. (C) The amount of antipathy Jeddawi "shabbab" express 
towards "bedouin" is remarkable.  The most common word used 
in the same sentence as "bedouin" by many young Jeddawis is 
"stupid."  Poloff has heard "shabbab" use the phrase "stupid 
bedouin" to refer to rural residents of the Hejaz, Saudis 
from the isolated Aseer region of southwestern Saudi Arabia, 
and guys they simply don't like.  However, the most common 
use for the word "bedouin" is to refer to residents of the 
central Nejd region, including Riyadh.  Of all the regional 
differences discussed by young Jeddawis, the sense of rivalry 
with, and resentment of, Nejdis is the strongest.  Young 
Jeddawis at once look down on Nejdis as less educated and 
unsophisticated, while simultaneously feeling discriminated 
against by them.  Young Jeddawis often complain that Nejdis 
"control" institutions like the government, military, and 
judiciary, and that Nejdis are favored for involvement in 
political institutions and the federal government.  "The 
bedouin control everything.  If I wanted to be an officer in 
the army, or rise up in the government, it is much harder for 
me," one Jeddawi student recently told Poloff.  Jeddah 
"shabbab" also resent being called "tarsh bahr" (roughly, 
"what the sea threw out," or "vomit of the sea") by some of 
their Nejdi counterparts, a reference to the immigrant roots 
of many Hejazis.  For many young Jeddawis, the phrase "tarsh 
bahr" is emblematic of the perceived discrimination they 
claim to face from Nejdis. 
 
12. (C) However, Jeddah's young men are equally ready to 
discriminate against Nejdis.  As Post has often reported, 
young men in Jeddah frequently blame "bedouin" from the 
central region of the Kingdom for a host of the country's 
problems, from domestic terrorism to unemployment to Saudis 
fighting in Iraq.  For example, during one road trip, 
students were vocal in exhibiting prejudice against the 
bedouin (Ref. D).  Several students used slurs they normally 
reserve for homosexuals in discussing them.  Others blamed 
the bedouin for the country's problems and for discrimination 
against residents of the Hejaz, many of whom trace their 
roots from outside the Arabian Peninsula.  "They think they 
are the original Saudis, and they hate everybody else," one 
student said.  "Bedouin are stupid people.  They are not 
educated, but somehow they have learned to make bombs," 
another added, blaming Nejdis for domestic terrorism in the 
Kingdom.  Discussing the phenomenon of Saudi young men 
traveling to Iraq to join terrorist groups, another group of 
young men also focused on "bedouin" (Ref. K).  "The people 
going to Iraq, they are going to be mostly from the villages, 
the bedouin," one young man stated.  "If someone goes from 
Jeddah, they are from an ignorant family, like the bedouin, 
because it is easy to manipulate them." 
 
YEARNING FOR SOCIAL OUTLETS, YOUNG MEN STILL STICK TO EARLY 
MARRIAGE AND FATHERHOOD 
 
13. (C) Jeddah's "shabbab" often complain that they are 
targeted by police and security guards who attempt to keep 
them out of popular entertainment venues like malls, 
amusement parks, bowling alleys, and water parks.  Many of 
these venues are restricted to "families only," which 
essentially blocks young, single men from using them.  As 
Post reported last year, the enthusiasm among "shabbab" that 
greeted Mecca Governor Prince Abd al-Majeed's spring 2005 
edict that young men could enter the region's malls and 
entertainment venues without their families was quickly 
dashed as police officers and security guards continued to 
restrict their access.  When Saudi newspapers carried the 
announcement of the prince's decree, one journalist declared: 
"Single men have reason to celebrate.  The days of being 
hounded by security guards to keep them out of families-only 
malls are finally over.  Bachelors in the Mecca region 
 
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couldn't believe their luck" (Ref. L).  However, when young 
men continued to report difficulty entering many 
entertainment venues and the "mafee shabbab" (no guys) signs 
in front of many private businesses didn't come down, Jeddawi 
"shabbab" routinely expressed their frustration to Poloff. 
"If they don't give us things to do, we will do bad things," 
was a common refrain (NOTE: Poloff has occasionally been 
blocked from entering malls and entertainment venues by 
security guards stating "mafee shabbab," as well.  END NOTE). 
 
 
14. (C) As Post has often reported, the lack of entertainment 
options for young, single men has helped lead to social 
practices, ranging from the increasing popularity of drag 
racing to harassing women on city streets, that older 
Jeddawis often cite as evidence that Jeddawi youth are "lost" 
(Refs. M & N).  Despite evidence of increasing anti-social 
behavior among Jeddah young men, including crime, vandalism, 
and harassment, the vast majority of young men Poloff has 
encountered stress their loyalty to traditional Saudi social 
institutions like marriage, often at an early age, and 
fatherhood.  Saudi young men talk about their desire to get 
married and have children far more often than their American 
counterparts, and express their eagerness to be good fathers 
(Ref. O).  Their reasoning for getting married generally 
centers on the desire to avoid intimate relationships outside 
marriage that they believe violate Islam's teachings and to 
follow Saudi cultural traditions that place marriage and 
family at the center of life.  "Getting married makes you 
more stable, a better person," one young man told Poloff. 
Discussing his desire to have children, a 21-year-old added: 
"I want to have kids more than I want to have a wife.  I want 
to be a father, to pass on my experiences, to make a 
difference" (NOTE: While social stigma makes it unusual for 
gay Saudis to openly discuss their sexuality with other 
Saudis and fellow Muslims, Consulate officers have met openly 
gay young Saudi men in Jeddah, an aspect of Jeddawi social 
life that is rarely discussed openly in mainstream circles 
but which is most certainly part of Jeddah's social fabric. 
END NOTE). 
 
ISLAM AT CENTER OF LIFE 
 
15. (C) Whether wearing traditional Saudi thobes or baggy 
jeans with backwards baseball caps, whether getting married 
at 21 or chasing women on Tahlia Street, and whether calling 
their friends on Friday mornings to wake them up for Friday 
prayers or experimenting with alcohol on the weekends, 
Jeddah's young men are openly religious and speak frequently 
about the centrality of Islam to their lives.  Jeddah young 
men would frequently interrupt their activities to perform 
the daily prayers on time.  For example, even during a race 
to hike up Hada Mountain, the young men stopped what they 
were doing at prayer time, performing the prayers on the bare 
ground.  Saudi young men also tend to follow a literalist 
interpretation of Koranic teaching.  For example, when Poloff 
has asked young Jeddawis for proof that "jinni," whose 
existence is often cited by young men in their daily 
conversations, exist in the physical world, Poloff nearly 
always has heard the same answer from young Saudis: "Of 
course they exist.  It is written in the Koran" (Ref. R). 
Moreover, in a common question posed to Poloff, one student 
asked: "If it is written in the Koran, then how can we not 
accept it?" 
 
16. (C) As consistently reflected in Post reporting, Islam is 
at the center of many conversations on political or social 
topics.  The centrality of religion to Jeddawi young people 
was perhaps best summed up by a Jeddawi student on a recent 
trip by Poloff to Mecca's Um al-Qura University (Ref. P). 
Discussing the ongoing controversy over cartoons of the 
Prophet Muhammad originally printed in some Danish and 
Norwegian newspapers, the young man, who was wearing jeans 
and appears decidedly secular in his outlook on many matters, 
stated: "Ya akhee (my brother), why don't they say they are 
sorry?  If they make fun of our religion, we are nothing, 
because we are nothing without our religion." 
 
"SHABBAB" HAVE COMPLICATED FEELINGS ABOUT AMERICA 
 
17. (C) Despite frequent criticism of American foreign 
policy, US involvement in Iraq, and alleged American bias 
towards Israel, Jeddah's young men clearly still relate to 
the US and the American people.  This is in large part due to 
the heavy influence of American movies, music, and popular 
 
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culture on Jeddawi youth.  When Poloff asked young Jeddawi 
men what their favorite television program is, they responded 
on numerous occasions with answers like "Oprah" and 
"Friends."  "We know America, we know about Americans because 
of all the movies," one student recently told Poloff.  Citing 
the popularity of American popular culture in Saudi Arabia, 
one young man noted: "America has many ways of ruling the 
world, and movies are the best way."  Even attitudes towards 
American foreign policy are complicated.  For example, while 
many young Saudis readily criticize American "interference" 
in Iraq, some others have urged to Poloff that the USG 
"interfere" in Saudi Arabia to push political reform.  In one 
common exchange, a young man asked Poloff if the US had plans 
to "interfere" in Saudi Arabia.  When Poloff told him the US 
never intends to interfere in any country, he pointed to his 
friend.  "No, I just told my friend yesterday I hope the 
Americans interfere in Saudi Arabia.  You need to change 
things here."  (Ref. N).  In addition, while American foreign 
policy, particularly regarding Iraq and the 
Israeli/Palestinian conflict, is clearly unpopular among most 
young Jeddawis, that unpopularity rarely translated into 
hatred of individual Americans among the "shabbab" Poloff 
met.  One recent encounter is particularly memorable.  While 
visiting the gritty "sina-iyya" (industrial) district in 
eastern Jeddah, Poloff met a young Saudi mechanic who spoke 
almost no English.  Shyly walking up to Poloff, he put his 
hand on his heart and said: "Inta Amerik-ee? (You are 
American?).  I am peace." 
 
18. (C) CONCLUSION.  Jeddawis of all ages agree that the 
current generation of Saudi young men are significantly 
different from their fathers.  Growing up in an era of 
significant turmoil for Saudi society including two Gulf 
wars, the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the rise of a 
domestic terrorist network in the Kingdom, and attempts at 
political and social reform by the SAG, Jeddah's "shabbab" 
face substantial challenges in defining the future course of 
their city and country.  Humbled by increased competition for 
jobs and resources in a country with a rapidly growing 
population, Jeddah's young men frequently tell Poloff they 
realize their lives will be more difficult than their 
fathers'.  Acutely aware that many Saudis dismiss them as "a 
lost generation" and many foreigners associate Saudi young 
men with terrorism, Jeddawi "shabbab" often close ranks and 
defend each other in the face of criticism.  To hear their 
side of the story, they are a generation of young men 
pursuing their life goals in an increasingly difficult and 
complicated world, anxious to make their God, their fathers, 
and their country proud.  END CONCLUSION. 
Gfoeller