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Viewing cable 05HOCHIMINHCITY1293, VISIT OF CONGRESSMAN CHRISTOPHER SMITH TO HO CHI MINH CITY

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05HOCHIMINHCITY1293 2005-12-15 10:17 2011-08-30 01:44 UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Consulate Ho Chi Minh City
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UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 05 HO CHI MINH CITY 001293 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PGOV PREL KIRF SOCI PHUM VM HIV AIDS HUMANR RELFREE
SUBJECT: VISIT OF CONGRESSMAN CHRISTOPHER SMITH TO HO CHI MINH CITY 
 
REF: A) HCMC 1277; B) HCMC 846; C) HCMC 600; D) HCMC 1182; E) HCMC 847; 
) HCMC 1143; G) 04 HCMC 1481; H) HCMC 15; I) HCMC 1220; J) HCMC 687; K) 
CMC 396 
 
1. (SBU) Summary:  In an intensive one day visit December 4, 
Congressman Chris Smith met with provincial government 
officials, prominent political dissidents and religious freedom 
activists. HCMC officials did not make any tangible commitments, 
but acknowledged their obligation to create a positive 
atmosphere for religious practice and welcomed the participation 
of religious groups in humanitarian activities, especially the 
fight against HIV/AIDS.  Dr. Nguyen Dan Que, UBCV leader Thich 
Quang Do and other dissidents were firm that there could be no 
real political or religious freedom reform without ending the 
Party's monopoly on power.  The dissidents acknowledged that 
international pressure -- particularly from the U.S. -- and 
Vietnam's international integration had increased personal 
freedoms.  They favored Vietnam's WTO accession, but were split 
over howmuchlinkage there should be between WTO and human 
rights and over the impact of international pressure on the 
internal party struggle between pro-China hardliners and 
moderates. 
 
2. (SBU) Summary Continued:  Key leaders of the Protestant House 
Church community, the GVN-recognized Southern Evangelical Church 
of Vietnam (SECV) and Cardinal Man noted improved religious 
freedom conditions since the promulgation of Vietnam's new legal 
framework on religion.  However, the Protestants complained of 
inconsistent application of the law, particularly in rural, 
ethnic minority areas.  Two separate meetings with Hoa Hao 
groups highlighted the split in that community; the Congressman 
bearded one group for its practice of using self-immolation as a 
form of protest.  Mennonite Pastor Nguyen Hong Quang made new 
allegations of torture against him and his followers, 
contradicting earlier information from his wife and lawyer. 
Congressman Smith was accompanied throughout by Human Rights 
Subcommittee Senior Staffer Eleanor Nagy.  Ref A reports on the 
Congressman's December 3 meetings in Hue. 
 
HCMC Government 
--------------- 
 
3. (SBU) A smooth and polished Nguyen Thanh Tai, Vice Chairman 
of the HCMC People's Committee, emphasized the GVN's commitment 
to improving the "welfare of the people" by ensuring economic 
growth and "political stability."  Tai welcomed Vietnam's 
international integration in general and intensified exchange 
and cooperation with the U.S. in particular.  Congressman Smith 
said the U.S. experience is that religious tolerance and 
diversity is the only way to ensure continued prosperity.  The 
Congressman stressed that the HCMC government should be as 
helpful as possible in implementing the legal framework on 
religion.  It also should enable the participation of religious 
groups in the delivery of social services, particularly in the 
fight against HIV/AIDS. 
 
4. (SBU) Tai acknowledged the importance of tolerance and 
diversity, and stated that the Communist Party recognizes that 
"religious belief is a need of the people."  The Party also 
welcomes alternative views, so long as those views are 
"constructive."  He noted that the HCMC government is seeking to 
facilitate the operation of religious organizations, for 
example, granting public venues for large-scale religious events 
during the Christmas season. 
 
5. (SBU) Congressman Smith explained how his faith shapes and 
informs his actions and pressed the Vice Chairman on why the 
Communist Party prohibits membership for religious believers. 
Tai replied that the Communist Party also had a code of 
principles and that "Communists are just as prepared to 
sacrifice to uphold these beliefs."  Individuals were free to 
leave if their beliefs and principles did not mesh with those of 
the Party, Tai concluded. 
 
Hoa Hao Community 
----------------- 
 
6. (SBU) Referring to the self-immolations of members of the Le 
Quang Liem faction of the Hoa Hao community in the Mekong Delta 
and HCMC this summer (Ref B), Hoa Hao elder Tran Huu Duyen, 
accompanied by his personal secretary, told the Congressman that 
it is a violation of Hoa Hao faith to self-immolate.  Unlike Le 
Quang Liem, who considers the GVN-constituted Hoa Hao Executive 
Board (HHEB) illegitimate, Duyen is ambivalent.  He told the 
Congressman that he does not support the HHEB, but recommended 
the HHEB's current chairman to the GVN.  Duyen said allegations 
of control of the Hoa Hao faith are exaggerated; the GVN has not 
forced any change of the Hoa Hao faith or doctrine.  Overall, 
conditions for the Hoa Hao have improved significantly in recent 
years.  However, the lack of an independent leader has split the 
Hoa Hao community, followers do not know where to turn to 
protest their grievances and thus fall into the orbit of the Le 
Quang Liem faction. 
 
7. (SBU) Duyen said that he failed to dissuade Nam Liem (aka Vo 
Van Thanh Liem) from participating in events organized by Le 
Quang Liem over the summer.  Unfortunately, Nam Liem threw 
gasoline on a provincial official, which led to his arrest and 
imprisonment.  In September, Nam Liem was sentenced to six and a 
half years in prison for disturbing public order and resisting 
officials carrying out their duties. (Per refs B and C, during a 
ceremony held by the Le Quang Liem faction in the Mekong Delta 
in June, tensions flared with police after the Hoa Hao began 
protesting GVN control of the Hoa Hao church.) 
 
8. (SBU) In a separate meeting, Congressman Smith met with four 
Hoa Hao supporters of Le Quang Liem: Bui Van Hue and three 
brothers of Nam Liem.  They accused the GVN of trying to wipe 
out Hoa Haoism.  They also complained about continued 
harassment, including cutting water and power to their homes and 
temples and detaining other followers of Le Quang Liem.  They 
asked for the Congressman's assistance to secure the return Hoa 
Hao properties seized after 1975.  While supporting the right of 
the Hoa Hao to practice their faith free of government 
interference, the Congressman sternly cautioned the Hoa Hao 
against self-immolation, stating, inter alia, that it 
discredited them in the eyes of their followers and the 
international community. 
 
Political Dissidents 
-------------------- 
 
9. (SBU) Human rights and democracy activists Nguyen Dan Que, 
Tran Khue, Do Nam Hai (aka Phuong Nam) and Father Chan Tin told 
Congressman Smith they were determined to continue the struggle 
to bring fundamental political reforms to Vietnam.  Que said 
that Vietnam's economic reforms over the past twenty years had 
brought a gradual expansion of personal freedoms.  He strongly 
favors accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO) as 
Vietnam's participation in a rules-based system will hasten the 
demise of the Communist Party.  Que said that Vietnam's reform 
process has been bolstered further by the visit of Prime 
Minister Phan Van Khai to the United States in June.  It opened 
new possibilities for enhanced cultural and information 
exchange, which are particularly significant for Vietnam's 
youth.  Que also pointed to the strengthening of institutions 
such as the National Assembly and the increasing availability of 
the Internet as developments that, over time, could limit the 
monopoly of the Party on power and information.  Que then 
presented a nine-point roadmap for democracy, including release 
of all political prisoners, separation of the Party from the GVN 
by decree, and endorsement of a new electoral law, culminating 
in a call for general elections for a new constitution in 
Vietnam. 
 
10.  (SBU) Que noted that as the USG works with Vietnam on WTO 
accession, it should also emphasize that human rights and 
democracy are essential conditions for Vietnam's successful 
participation in the world economy.  In this regard, the United 
States should find ways to reduce the Communist Party's power 
and "tip the balance" in favor of reformers inside the party in 
Vietnam.  The international community also needed to strengthen 
the role of the National Assembly.  Que suggested that the USG 
consider establishing a website to promote democracy in Vietnam, 
pass the Vietnam Human Rights Act, and organize a seminar on 
human rights and democracy in Vietnam.  Que requested President 
Bush to meet with leading dissidents when he visits Vietnam for 
APEC in 2006: such a meeting would send a "powerful signal" to 
the Communist regime. 
 
11. (SBU) Tran Khue, a former Communist Party member, added that 
hardliners and special interest groups are worried about the 
implications of WTO accession, because it will spell the loss of 
privilege and power for the Party. Khue noted ongoing harassment 
against him and that the police recently denied his application 
to travel to the Netherlands and the U.S. to attend democracy 
seminars.  Both Khue and Do Nam Hai told the Congressman that on 
December 10, International Human Rights Day, they would launch 
an e-newspaper, the "Voice of Democracy," which would be the 
official publication of democracy activists in Vietnam.  (Note: 
On December 9, Hai was detained for 24 hours and questioned by 
police on his pro-democracy activities before being released. 
The launch of the dissident website went ahead as planned.  End 
Note.) 
 
House Church Leaders 
-------------------- 
 
12. (SBU) In a working lunch, Congressman Smith met with seven 
leading pastors of Vietnam's house church community:  Pham Dinh 
Nhan, President of the Vietnam Evangelical Fellowship; Doan 
Trung Tin of the Vietnam Good News Mission; Tran Mai, 
Pastor-in-Charge of the Inter-Evangelistic Movement; Pham Toan 
Ai of the Vietnam Baptist Alliance; Duong Thanh Lam of the 
Assembly of God; Tran Cong Tan of the Seventh Day Adventists; 
and Nguyen Quang Trung, President of one faction of the 
Mennonite Church of Vietnam.  Congressman Smith opened by 
outlining his efforts to promote human rights and religious 
freedom.  He underscored his commitment to build on the meeting 
between President Bush and Prime Minister Phan Van Khai to 
secure greater freedoms in Vietnam, including expanding 
opportunity for religious groups to conduct charitable and 
humanitarian activities.   The pastors welcomed U.S. pressure on 
Vietnam to improve conditions for religious freedom. 
 
13. (SBU) The pastors told the Congressman that conditions for 
their churches had improved since the introduction of the new 
legal framework on religion in early 2005.  That said, the 
majority told the Congressman of continuing, sporadic local 
harassment of their house churches, including police 
interference during religious services, confiscation of Bibles, 
and intimidation of believers to discourage them from attending 
services.  A few pastors reported local police and authorities 
occasionally ignored the new Ordinance on Religion and Faith and 
still based their treatment on more restrictive regulations that 
were superceded when the new legal framework come into effect. 
In other cases, provincial-level officials intervened to end 
local-level harassment and allow house church activities to 
continue. 
14. (SBU) Mennonite and Seventh Day Adventist leaders noted that 
police harassment had stopped following their application 
earlier this year for registration under the new legal framework 
(refs D and E).  Authorities in the Central Highlands province 
of Gia Lai have begun proceedings to register two Mennonite 
congregations.  Both leaders said that they hoped to petition 
the GVN for return of church properties seized after 1975 after 
their registration has been approved.  Other house church 
pastors were more skeptical, saying the registration process is 
laborious and does not appear to yield concrete benefits for 
their organizations. 
 
15.  (SBU) Pastor Tin noted that church operations in the 
Northwest Highlands remained under significant pressure.  The 
Vietnam Good News Mission -- a church seeding operation -- is 
working with 40,000 ethnic Hmong in 400 congregations.  When his 
church attempted to register their activities with local 
authorities they were pressured to withdraw their application 
and told that Hanoi has not yet "instructed" the provinces on 
how to proceed.  These congregations also have been fined for 
"illegal gathering" and pastors and worshipers faced police 
harassment and detention. 
 
Southern Evangelical Church of Vietnam 
-------------------------------------- 
 
16.  (SBU) Leaders of the GVN-recognized Southern Evangelical 
Church of Vietnam (SECV) told the Congressman that conditions 
for their church have improved since the promulgation of the new 
legal framework on religion.  The SECV appreciated the 
international pressure on Vietnam that led to this welcome 
change.  In addition to normalizing its operations nationwide, 
the SECV also hopes to recover 217 properties the GVN 
expropriated after 1975. 
 
17. (SBU) Although conditions have improved, implementation of 
the legal framework is inconsistent and depends on the attitudes 
of village-level authorities.  In many instances, officials tend 
to support the "rights of agnostics" over the "rights of 
believers."  Rural, mountainous areas -- where three quarters of 
the SECV's activities take place -- are particularly 
problematic.   The SECV leaders noted that forced renunciations 
of faith were common in the Central Highlands three or four 
years ago; the situation is markedly improved, although there 
continue to be sporadic reports of forced renunciation in remote 
villages.  (Comment:  We requested additional information from 
the SECV General Secretary on the new allegations of forced 
renunciation.  The SECV General Secretary demurred, saying that 
the SECV wants to try and resolve the problems directly with 
Provincial and Central Committees for Religious Affairs first. 
Should this approach fail, the SECV would then turn to "other 
sources" for assistance.  Per ref F, a member of the SECV in the 
Central Highlands province of Gia Lai told us local officials in 
Chu Prong district reportedly badly beat two ethnic minority 
believers and ordered one community of ethnic minority 
worshipers not to practice their faith.  End Comment.) 
 
18. (SBU) The SECV representatives noted their frustration that 
local officials have not been punished for gross violations of 
the law, while SECV pastors and preachers are routinely fined 
and harassed for inconsequential administrative violations.  The 
SECV leaders also noted that, contrary to the house churches, 
which face government intervention if they become too big, the 
SECV faces pressure from the government to consolidate their 
Central Highlands "meeting points" into larger churches. 
 
Cardinal Man 
------------ 
 
19.  (SBU) Cardinal Pham Dinh Man, head of the HCMC Archdiocese, 
told Congressman Smith that he was initially skeptical about the 
new legal framework on religion when it was first promulgated. 
Noting that there are "101 ways officials frustrate religious 
belief," Man compared the situation in Vietnam to the plight of 
African slaves in the story of "Roots."  However, there has been 
tangible improvement.  For example, in June he transferred 60 
priests within his diocese and ordained another 90 without 
government interference.  In October he named 35 new candidates 
to seminary, again with no interference.  HCMC authorities also 
have returned a few expropriated properties to the Church. 
Cardinal Man noted that the church has not been pushing hard for 
return of expropriated property en masse as it does not have the 
resources to rehabilitate them. 
 
20.  (SBU) Despite hiccups in cooperation, Man also noted 
positively that HCMC authorities for the first time asked the 
Church greater scope to assist in the fight against HIV/AIDS. 
The Church wants to do significantly more and would welcome the 
opportunity to participate in the PEPFAR program, an effort the 
Congressman strongly encouraged. 
 
21. (SBU) Cardinal Man said Marxism-Leninism has not been taught 
in the HCMC seminary for the past two years and was an 
inconsequential part of the curriculum before that.  Elsewhere 
it is largely perfunctory and consists of about 30-40 hours of 
lecture.  Man also noted that, after years of foot-dragging, the 
GVN had finally agreed to create a new diocese in southern 
Vietnam.  Man was hopeful that in 2006, the GVN would approve a 
pending request to open a new seminary in Dong Nai province. 
Man was content to let GVN showcase these developments to answer 
international critics of its religious freedom policies, so long 
as the Church got what it wanted in the process.  The Cardinal 
closed by telling the Congressman that one needs to be "very 
very patient" in Vietnam. 
 
Thich Quang Do 
-------------- 
 
22. (SBU) Energetic and well-briefed, Thich Quang Do -- General 
Secretary of the banned Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam 
 
SIPDIS 
(UBCV) -- greeted the Congressman at the entrance to his Thanh 
Minh Zen Monastery.  Prior to the visit he had spoken with Vo 
Van Ai, Director of the International Buddhist Information 
Bureau (IBIB) based in Paris, and thanked Congressman Smith for 
his advocacy for human rights and religious freedom in Vietnam. 
Echoing themes from past meetings with the Ambassador and other 
USG officials (refs G and H), Thich Quang Do warned against 
trusting the GVN; specific measures must be place to prevent 
backsliding.  For example, in 2005 the GVN began to ease up on 
religious organizations out of fear that CPC designation would 
complicate Vietnam's WTO accession.  Even the UBCV benefited 
from a respite in pressure.  However, when it became clear that 
Vietnam would be re-designated a country of particular concern 
and that the GVN would fail to close out negotiations with the 
U.S. by the end of 2005, the Party stepped up its repression of 
the UBCV.  This led to his confrontation with police at a HCMC 
pagoda on November 19 (Ref I) and the increased harassment of 
UBCV leaders in other provinces. 
 
23. (SBU) Thich Quang Do told the Congressman that in the run up 
to its tenth Party Congress, the Communist Party is badly split 
between hardliners beholden to former Party General Secretary Do 
Muoi and former President Le Duc Anh and reformers led by former 
Prime Minister Vo Van Kiet and Prime Minister Phan Van Khai. 
According to Do, hardliners have been working to scuttle 
improved relations between the U.S. and Vietnam.  This same 
group also is firmly opposed to economic reform.  Speaking like 
a seasoned opposition politician, Thich Quang Do criticized the 
hardline faction's pro-China leanings and the "ceding of 
Vietnamese territory to the PRC."  Do placed Deputy Prime 
Minister Nguyen Tan Dung firmly within the pro-China camp; HCMC 
Party Secretary Triet "might be" a reformer. 
 
24.  (SBU) Saying that he has banded together with other 
political and religious freedom activists to push for political 
change, Thich Quang Do said that Vietnam cannot develop under a 
one-party dictatorship.  Whereas in the past he opposed the 
application of sanctions, for fear of hurting the Vietnamese 
people, he is reconsidering.  Perhaps if the Vietnamese people 
"suffer once," it may spark them to "stand up" against the 
Party.  However, he acknowledged that sanctions might be 
counterproductive and could tip the balance within the Party in 
favor of the hardliners.   He noted positively a December 
European Parliament resolution on human rights in Vietnam and 
urged the U.S. Congress to pass the Vietnam Human Rights Act. 
 
Mennonite Pastor Nguyen Hong Quang 
---------------------------------- 
 
25. (SBU) In an evening meeting, Mennonite Pastor Nguyen Hong 
Quang, accompanied by his wife Le Thi Phu Dung, read from a 
prepared letter detailing recent examples of GVN violations of 
religious freedom as well as his proscriptions for reform.  In 
contrast to the other house church leaders, Quang, amnestied 
from prison in September 2005, alleged increased harassment of 
his church in recent months.  Quang added that Mennonite 
preacher Pham Ngoc Thach -- the last of the "Mennonite 6" still 
in prison -- has been tortured in prison.  Quang claimed that he 
too was beaten regularly in prison, but he previously "had not 
dared" to inform anyone of these incidents. 
 
26.  (SBU) Quang said that, within the past few weeks he, former 
Mennonite 6 co-defendant Le Thi Hong Lien and his wife had 
traveled to Hue "in secret," and "had eluded officials" to pay a 
midnight visit to Fathers Ly and Loi.  Responding to a question 
from the Consul General, Quang denied that he was being singled 
out for increased police scrutiny.  Other house churches were 
facing the same harassment, but were "too afraid to divulge 
these facts."  (Comment:  per refs J and K, Quang's wife and 
Quang's lawyer separately told us that following their visits to 
prison, they had not seen any evidence that Quang or Thach were 
beaten.  We also have been unable to confirm other allegations 
of torture involving other members of the "Mennonite 6." 
Another Presbyterian house church pastor noted that Quang's 
group had a tendency to exaggerate to gain international 
attention and sympathy.  Other house church pastors have told us 
that police pressure on Pastor Quang's house church declined 
substantially following his release from prison.  End Comment.) 
WINNICK