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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 DAR ES SALAAM 002339 
 
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SUBJECT: ASSISTANT SECRETARY FRAZER'S DECEMBER 23 
CONVERSATION WITH TANZANIAN  PRESIDENT JAKAYA KIKWETE 
 
REF: DAR ES SALAAM 02337 
 
Classified By: Assistant Secretary Jendayi Frazer for reason 
1.4(d) 
 
¶1.  (U)  December 23, 2005, 11:30 a.m., Dar es Salaam, 
Tanzania 
 
 
¶2.  (U)   Participants: 
 
U.S. 
Jendayi Frazer, Assistant Secretary of State 
¶D. Purnell Delly, Charge d'Affaires 
Maureen B. Latour, Political Officer 
 
TANZANIA 
Jakaya Kikwete, President 
Pastor Ngaiza, Director for Europe and Americas, Ministry of 
Foreign Affairs 
Omary Mjenga, Special Assistant to Jakaya Kikwete as Foreign 
Minister 
Notetaker for President Kikwete 
 
¶3.  (C) SUMMARY:  In a December 23 meeting with AF Assistant 
Secretary Frazer, President Kikwete spoke confidently of 
 
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overcoming the problems on Zanzibar, agreed Uganda,s 
president Museveni is making the wrong decision by staying in 
office, and suggested pressuring Ethiopia to accept the 
ruling of the International Court of Justice's Boundary 
Commission.  Meeting two days after his inauguration, Kikwete 
listed his priorities as education, the fight against 
HIV/AIDS, and building international relations, as well as 
continuing the peace and stability, and the unity, of the 
country.  A/S Frazer welcomed Kikwete,s idea of coming to 
Washington for a visit as soon as possible and suggested they 
try to arrange a visit early in the new year.  END SUMMARY. 
 
ZANZIBAR 
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¶4.  (C)  Kikwete said Zanzibar presents a challenge to be 
overcome and that the present situation "gives me some 
discomfort," but he is confident of the ability to find ways 
of working together with the opposition Civic United Front 
(CUF).  A/S Frazer told Kikwete she had met with CUF leader 
Seif Sharif Hamad and that he seemed distraught, but slightly 
open to working with the new government, and with Kikwete in 
particular.  Kikwete commented that he tried to meet with 
Hamad, noting "let,s see if we can work out something." 
 
¶5.  (C)  A/S Frazer highlighted that the youth in Zanzibar 
feel disenfranchised, not finding an opportunity to feel a 
part of the electoral system.  Kikwete noted the danger on 
Zanzibar is the idea of secession creeping in and that is a 
danger "which we must prevent."  Kikwete said he would 
address this issue as soon as possible and A/S Frazer 
complimented his decision to make it a priority from the 
outset of his administration. 
 
PEMBA 
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¶6.  (C)  A/S Frazer shared her surprise that her meeting on 
Pemba with Muslim clerics did not address politics or the 
elections, but focused on basic living standards.  Kikwete 
said that poverty is the essence of problems on Pemba and 
that, though both islands are poor, Pemba is less developed 
than Unguja.  Kikwete noted the improvements (e.g., roads, 
electricity) made on Pemba during Zanzibar President Amani 
Karume,s first term and said Karume feels frustrated that 
the election results did not match the efforts he put in on 
Pemba.  The government needs to continue social services and 
can do more in education, health and political relations, 
Kikwete said, and "in time, we,ll get there." 
 
MUSEVENI 
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¶7. (C)  A/S Frazer praised Tanzania as a model for handing 
power from leader to leader, in contrast to Uganda,s 
President Yoweri Museveni.  A/S Frazer said that while 
integration is critical for the economy and that increasing 
trade among Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania is important, it 
should not be a reason for staying in power.  Kikwete agreed 
that Museveni is making the wrong decision and commented that 
to die in office and leave people vying for office does a 
disservice.  Kikwete said Ugandans had asked both himself and 
former president Mkapa for help and that the historicals (a 
group of people who were with Museveni in the bush) have 
tried to impress upon Museveni that he is making the wrong 
decision and that it is better to help make a transition. 
¶8. (C)  Kikwete described Museveni,s decision to remain in 
power as his "not opposing those who want him to continue" 
and offered three reasons for this:  to oversee the 
implementation of Uganda,s comprehensive industrialization 
strategy; distrust of Sudan,s President Omar Bashir; and the 
desire to be in power to see East African integration. 
Kikwete rejected these reasons for staying in power stating 
that industrialization is a process that may take fifty to 
one hundred years, asking how Museveni can be the guarantor 
of the process in another country, and explaining that East 
African integration will be a long process. 
 
¶9. (C)  Kikwete cited Museveni as saying he would stay in 
office until 2013, and added that Museveni then may move to 
the East African presidency.  However, Kikwete is not sure 
East Africans will accept him because of his record and his 
reputation of not caring for the opinions of others.  "It,s 
not a matter of seniority," added Kikwete. 
 
¶10. (C)  A/S Frazer said the USG anticipates Uganda may be 
going through some trouble.  Kikwete agreed that Uganda may 
experience a period of instability and alluded to future 
violence, saying there is great animosity and both sides have 
former generals.  Though Kikwete hopes there is not another 
civil war, he described the situation as precarious. 
 
EAST AFRICA INTEGRATION 
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¶11. (C)  Kikwete said the vision exists for East Africa 
integration, but that Tanzania and Kenya have been busy with 
the election and referendum processes, respectively, so he 
does not anticipate moving forward on integration until at 
least June 2006.  Kikwete added that "we want to bring in 
Rwanda and then Burundi a few months later," but emphasized 
that they would need time to study the situation so that they 
do not give up some of their sovereignty unaware. 
 
PEACEKEEPING 
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¶12. (C)  A/S Frazer commented that the USG wants to work with 
the GOT on peacekeeping and stand-by brigades, stressing that 
regional organization is critical.  Kikwete responded that he 
would get his advisors together, develop an agenda and get 
back to A/S Frazer soon. 
ETHIOPIA AND ERITREA 
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¶13. (C)  Kikwete shared A/S Frazer,s concern about the 
situation in Ethiopia and Eritrea, saying he wants to give 
these countries an opportunity for peace, but acknowledged he 
is not as familiar with the situation.  A/S Frazer commented 
that Eritrea,s President Isaias Afwerki is doing everything 
that is counter to his objectives and making the situation 
very difficult by refusing to see anyone and not attending 
meetings (because they are in Addis Ababa).  Kikwete said 
that all parties agreed on going to the International Court 
of Justice (ICJ) and to respect the decision of its Boundary 
Commission, so all countries should put pressure on Ethiopia 
to accept the decision.  (Note:  Kikwete repeatedly mixed up 
the International Court of Justice decision with that of the 
Ethiopia-Eritrea Boundary Commission, suggesting a lack of 
familiarity with the Horn Crisis.  End Note.) 
 
¶14. (C) A/S Frazer raised the issue of the future of the 
United Nations Mission to Ethiopia and Eritrea (UNMEE), 
commenting that the Indians want to leave and are 
uncomfortable with Isaias, actions.  Kikwete does not 
believe Afwerki has enough military power to take down 
Ethiopia. 
 
BURUNDI 
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¶15.  (C)  On Burundi, Kikwete said he will continue efforts 
in this area and will try to bring the "crazy guys," 
including FNL leader Agathon Rwasa, to Tanzania.  Kikwete 
described them as always asking to pray and quoting the Bible 
in their letters, so he asked them why they keep killing 
people; their reply was "we do it in the name of god." 
 
¶16. (C) Comment:  This unplanned meeting came about on the 
suggestion of Kikwete,s personal assistant which he conveyed 
to the Assistant Secretary upon arrival at the first 
scheduled event of the day.  The speed with which this 
meeting with the newly elected and very popular president was 
arranged two days after the inauguration and following an 
initial meeting held on inauguration day (reftel) indicates 
Kikwete wanted this meeting. 
¶17.  (U)  Assistant Secretary Frazer cleared this cable. 
DELLY