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SUBJECT: ARGENTINA: RAUL ESTRADA OYUELA, OLD LION OF CLIMATE CHANGE 
NEGOTIATIONS, TALKS ABOUT COPENHAGEN 
 
REF: BUENOS AIRES 1244 
 
¶1.  (SBU) Summary:  ESTOff met on November 9 with Raul Estrada 
Oyuela, a retired Argentine diplomat who specialized in climate 
negotiations and was Chairman of the Kyoto Protocol negotiations in 
¶1997.  Estrada Oyuela feels that the GoA now has no clear position 
on climate change and does not have a high-level interest in the 
subject.  Still, he believes that the GoA will be much more likely 
to support an agreement if financing is available to help in a 
transition to a low-carbon economy.  He also thinks that the GoA 
would be amenable to a political agreement at Copenhagen, but is 
not likely to take a leadership role in pushing for such an 
agreement.  Estrada Oyuela is convinced that no deal will come out 
of Copenhagen without a bill passed in the U.S. Senate, and fears 
that the USG will be scapegoated if no agreement is reached.  His 
advice for us is to request a six-month extension to the 
negotiations to allow time for domestic legislation to provide a 
firm negotiating position.  End Summary. 
 
 
 
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OVERVIEW OF NEGOTIATIONS 
 
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¶2. (SBU) ESTHOff met with Raul Estrada Oyuela on November 9 to 
discuss climate change negotiations.  Estrada Oyuela was chairman 
of the Kyoto Protocol negotiations and considered a crucial 
catalyst in achieving consensus in 1997.  He is now retired from 
the Argentine Foreign Service and works as a consultant. 
 
 
 
¶3. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela believes a substantial agreement in 
Copenhagen is impossible, but he is hopeful about a future 
agreement in 2010 or beyond.  When asked if a political agreement 
without specific pledges on emissions reduction or actions would be 
sufficient at Copenhagen, he threw up his hands and said, "What 
else can we do?"  He said that due to the Kyoto Protocol 
experience, no one will believe the USG without a climate change 
bill having first passed in the Senate. 
 
 
 
¶4. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela said he knew that no real agreement would 
be reached when a promising initial draft treaty grew to 200 pages 
during June 2009 negotiations.  He noted that such level of detail 
guarantees that no consensus can be reached on the full agreement. 
He is critical of those, including former Danish negotiator Thomas 
Becker, who created unrealistic expectations for a conference just 
10 months after President Obama took office. 
 
 
 
¶5. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela's advice to the USG is to make a formal 
proposal for talks to be reconvened in six months.  That, he 
believes, will allow time for a Senate bill to be passed and for 
U.S. negotiators to come to the table will solid numbers.  It is 
not too late, he thinks, to push for a delay in the talks and 
portray that as a success, not a failure.  He emphasized that 
timing is everything and, as is his habit, he illustrated this 
point with a story.  Negotiations were progressing rapidly on the 
Kyoto Protocol in 1996, but he worked with U.S. negotiators behind 
the scenes to slow down the process until Clinton was re-elected, 
knowing that negotiations during an election season would be 
unsuccessful.  The timing of the final negotiations in Kyoto in 
December 1997 was crucial to their success, according to Estrada 
Oyuela.  The likelihood of consensus may be much higher six months 
from now. 
 
 
 
¶6. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela believes there is a great risk that 
Copenhagen will deteriorate to a game of blaming the United States. 
Thus, the USG needs to work actively to prevent this, in part by 
pushing for talks to be reconvened in six months.  Estrada Oyuela 
also said that the U.S. negotiators should emphasize to the Senate 
that without a clear commitment from the United States, the process 
will be delayed, and that the risks of further delay are huge. 
 
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¶7. (SBU) Despite his concerns, Estrada Oyuela is hopeful that a 
substantive agreement can be crafted in the future, hopefully in 
¶2010.  He said that several countries, in particular China and 
Japan, are playing much more constructive roles.  But he noted that 
everyone with experience in such negotiations recalls the failure 
of the USG to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and that therefore 
everything depends on the United States being able to make firm 
commitments. 
 
 
 
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GOVERNMENT OF ARGENTINA IS "IGNORING THE PROCESS" 
 
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¶8. (SBU) While Argentina was a major leader of climate negotiations 
throughout the 1990s, it is now much less active.  According to 
Estrada Oyuela, the GoA is essentially "ignoring the process," 
including not taking any serious domestic mitigation actions and 
failing to maintain expertise in the field.  Ambassador Silvia 
Merega, the current head negotiator on climate change, never worked 
on any environmental issues until six months ago and readily admits 
that she does not know the issues well.  By contrast, Estrada 
Oyuela said, in the 1990s he worked to educate a core of diplomats 
on the scientific issues.  Many of those experts are now dispersed 
into other bureaus and Embassies and no longer part of the 
negotiating team. 
 
 
 
¶9. (SBU) As an example, Estrada Oyuela said that he worked closely 
in the 1990s with Osvaldo Canziani, an Argentine climatologist. 
Canziani is a world-renowned climate change scientist and was 
co-chair of a working group of the Intergovernmental Panel on 
Climate Change (IPCC) which won the Nobel Prize in 2007.  By 
contrast, the current climate change team has not called on 
Canziani at all for assistance.  Instead, they are relying on 
Vicente Barros, another Argentine climatologist of whom Estrada 
Oyuela is contemptuous.  He said that he tried to work with Barros 
in the 1990s and found him to be "incompetent."  Estrada Oyuela was 
amazed that Canziani has been left to the side by the current 
climate team. 
 
 
 
¶10. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela believes that there are still good people 
working on climate change mitigation in the Argentine Environmental 
Secretariat, but that they do not have the political support or 
power to implement significant new policies.  He noted that the 
Secretariat's work on energy efficiency, for example, is 
inconsequential when the political leadership continues to promote 
policies that push in the other direction.  (Note:  Electricity in 
Argentina is approximately 70% subsidized, for example, giving 
little economic incentive to invest in energy efficiency.  End 
note.) 
 
 
 
¶11. (SBU) According to Estrada Oyuela, the GoA is focused on two 
issues at it relates to climate change.  First, how to create and 
preserve jobs, particularly as it relates to exports.  Any position 
that can be framed in the language of job creation is a popular 
one.  Second, it is dedicated to creating a fund to finance 
mitigation response by developing countries.  If financing is 
available to help in a transition to a low-carbon economy, the GoA 
will be much more likely to enthusiastically support an agreement. 
(The GoA's current climate negotiator, Ambassador Silvia Merega, 
also emphasized to us the importance of financing for mitigation 
actions.  See reftel.)  Estrada Oyuela believes that the GoA is 
amenable to a political agreement at Copenhagen, but is not likely 
to take a leadership role in pushing for such an agreement. 
 
 
 
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DEALING WITH OTHER LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES 
 
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¶12. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela believes that there is no easy way to deal 
with countries less committed to the process.  Venezuela and 
Ecuador, as OPEC countries, will maintain their positions demanding 
compensation for the negative effects of mitigation.  He "couldn't 
believe" that Argentina is supporting some OPEC positions, and said 
it is essentially a political favor to Venezuela.  He expressed 
puzzlement at Bolivia's position, and said that a Cuban friend told 
him they were concerned that Bolivia had taken all of Cuba's 
positions, leaving them without much to say. 
 
 
 
¶13. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela thinks that Mexico should play a much more 
prominent role in the negotiations.  As an OECD country, but also a 
developing country, he sees Mexico as being in a position to help 
forge an agreement, but that it is not leading as it should.  When 
asked whether Argentina, as a G-20 and G-77 member, could play a 
similar role, he simply laughed.  He said that the current 
negotiating team is confused, not politically supported, and could 
not lead anything at this time. 
 
 
 
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BORDER TAX ADJUSTMENTS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR ARGENTINA 
 
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¶14. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela currently works as a consultant to the 
Instituto de Promocion de la Carne Vacuna, a beef industry group. 
He says the group is very alarmed about the potential damage to 
beef exports from mitigation actions.  Still, he believes that 
Border Tax Adjustments (BTAs) will be implemented by developed 
countries in some form, and that Argentina needs to prepare for 
them. 
 
 
 
¶15. (SBU) Argentina's agricultural sector is very much aware of the 
move in the EU to have carbon emissions labeling on food products. 
Argentine producers are also alarmed by a statement from Lord 
Nicholas Stern, author of an influential UK climate change report, 
suggesting that meat consumption must be cut.  (In an October 
interview, Stern said that "Meat is a wasteful use of water and 
creates a lot of greenhouse gases.  It puts enormous pressure on 
the world's resources...[People] will increasingly ask about the 
carbon content of their food.")  Argentina sees such labeling and 
comments as linked to the continued protectionist agricultural 
policies of the developed world, he said. 
 
 
 
¶16. (SBU) When asked how Argentina should handle BTA concerns, 
Estrada Oyuela said that Argentina simply has to take sufficient 
mitigation actions to cut agricultural emissions and avoid BTA, 
which will require a major adjustment of the agricultural sector. 
He cited conversion of the beef industry from pasture-fed to a 
feedlot system as one way to reduce methane emissions.  BTA are 
viewed as a sort of tax by the Argentines, one that will fall 
excessively on their shoulders.  However, he thinks that such 
adjustments are inevitable and that Argentina needs to reform its 
agriculture, rather than resist such measures. 
 
 
 
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COMMENT 
 
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¶17. (SBU) Estrada Oyuela's expertise and experience in climate 
 
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change negotiations was evident in the way he effortlessly 
discussed the intricacies of the current negotiations.  He is 
optimistic about an eventual agreement (though not in Copenhagen) 
and believes that emissions reduction measures, including border 
tax adjustments and mitigation financing, will ultimately be put in 
place.  He feels that green technologies are the real key to 
lowering emissions and that the USG is by far best-equipped to lead 
(and benefit from) the move to low-carbon economies.  End Comment. 
 
 
 
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