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TAGS: PREL OREP ECON AR
SUBJECT: ARGENTINE CHIEF CABINET MINISTER MEETS CODEL MEEKS 
 
REF: BUENOS AIRES 1680 
 
¶1. (SBU) Summary and introduction:  Argentine Cabinet Chief Minister 
Sergio Massa received in his office at Casa Rosada presidential 
palace Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX), and 
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) December 17.  The codel conveyed a strong U.S. 
desire for dialogue and strengthening bilateral relations.  Massa 
agreed with the codel on the need for international cooperation in 
addressing the global financial crisis, and he said the GOA had 
great expectations for the incoming administration of 
President-elect Obama.  Rep. Meeks concluded the meeting with an 
appeal for the GOA to reach a satisfactory settlement with Met Life 
and New York Life to compensate them for the business they lost when 
the GOA confiscated private pension (AFJP) accounts.  The 
Ambassador, DCM and polcouns (notetaker) accompanied the codel.  End 
summary. 
 
¶2. (SBU) After the Ambassador introduced the codel, Massa apologized 
for his delay in starting the meeting, noting that with President 
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner (CFK) out of the country, he had to 
deal with a lot of pressing issues.  Rep. Meeks invited Massa to go 
with him to the codel's following event, lunch with the AmCham. 
Massa said he enjoys good relations with AmCham president Juan 
Bruchou but would have to stay in the office.  Meeks said the lunch 
invitation remained pending, in Buenos Aires or Washington. 
 
Global Financial Crisis 
----------------------- 
 
¶3. (SBU) Massa requested codel's views on the global financial 
crisis.  Meeks noted the dimensions of the crisis and the tough 
challenges it presented.  He said the U.S. Congress was doing 
everything it could to stem the tide, employing every stopgap 
measure available, including the $700 billion rescue package.  He 
expressed his belief that President Bush would use at least $10 
billion of that to help the automobile industry.  Meeks pointed out 
the bipartisan nature of the codel, stressing that leaders of both 
parties in Washington were looking to work with other countries like 
Argentina since the impact of the crisis was global.  The crisis was 
a tremendous challenge, but together we could turn it into an 
opportunity. 
 
¶4. (SBU) Rep. Hinojosa noted congressional desire to help the 
outgoing and incoming administrations head off growing unemployment 
when major employers were laying off thousands of workers.  He 
stressed congressional support for extraordinary measures, such as 
the stimulus package, to get the economy back on track and generate 
jobs. 
 
U.S. Economy the Global Tractor 
------------------------------- 
 
¶5. (SBU) Massa said that, from his perspective, it looked like many 
good initiatives were underway in the United States, which was a 
relief, because the ""U.S. economy is the tractor for the global 
economy.""  He criticized the speculative bubbles that preceded the 
crisis, and he worried that U.S. leaders were bumping up against the 
false dilemma of having to ""choose between Wall Street and Main 
Street,"" but then he hastened to add that he considered the rescue 
of the financial sector to be essential for the recovery of the 
""real"" economy.  He also thought the President-elect and his team 
were doing a good job of tempering public expectations in advance of 
the inauguration. 
 
¶6. (SBU) Rep. Ryan noted that among the many tools being deployed to 
address the crisis, careful attention was being paid to monetary 
policy, which previously had sought to contain inflation but now 
needed to target potential deflation.  He called ""historic"" the 
Federal Reserve's decision the previous day to lower interest rates 
to near zero.  Ultimately, the important thing was to fix the 
financial system by requiring greater transparency and to keep 
speculation from spinning out of control.  He noted the most 
optimistic projection for the duration of the present recession was 
18 months. 
 
A Short Recession? 
------------------ 
 
¶7. (SBU) Massa disagreed, said he expected the recession to be 
shorter, explaining his belief that the lightning speed of modern 
communications (compared to the pace of information in the 1930s) 
would accelerate the recovery.  Rep. Ryan recalled that Federal 
Reserve Chairman Bernanke was one of the most prominent scholars of 
the Great Depression in the 1930s, and that two lessons he had drawn 
from Bernanke's academic work were the negative consequences in this 
type of crisis of taking liquidity out of the system and of enacting 
protectionist measures. 
 
¶8. (SBU) Rep. Hinojosa warned against assuming the recession might 
last only 6-12 months.  He acknowledged there were many differences 
between circumstances on the eve of 2009 and those that existed in 
the 1930s, starting with the size of the U.S. population and 
economy.  He expressed concern for the credit crunch, noting how 
difficult it was to get money churning in the economy.  Rep. 
Hinojosa assured Massa the United States would not build a wall of 
protectionism, and that, convinced that trade could be mutually 
beneficial, we were looking to trade with others like Argentina.  He 
also spoke, as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Higher Education, of 
his interest in expanding opportunities for educational exchanges 
between the two countries. 
 
¶9. (SBU) Rep. Meeks said the United States and Argentina enjoyed 
good relations, but we could always make them better.  ""You've been 
our ally,"" he said, stressing his appreciation for ongoing bilateral 
cooperation in areas such as narcotics interdiction and 
counter-terrorism.  He said he hoped there would be greater dialogue 
because, in recognition of Argentina's leadership role in the 
region, we wanted to work with the GOA to strengthen the region. 
President-elect Obama will seek the GOA's opinion and cooperation. 
He recalled that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the designated 
Secretary of State, had visited Argentina ""and she will be back."" 
Argentina is key to a peaceful, stable, and prosperous region. 
 
¶10. (SBU) In stressing the importance of building parliamentary ties 
between Argentina and the United States, Rep. Meeks noted, as 
evidence of U.S. congressional desire for dialogue, the 
establishment of a caucus of House members focused on OAS member 
states, an Argentina caucus, and a Dialogue Caucus. 
 
¶11. (SBU) Massa welcomed a change in paradigm for U.S. engagement 
with the region and the world.  He noted there had been some ""ups 
and downs"" in the bilateral relationship over the previous four 
years, but there were great expectations for improving relations 
with Washington's new incoming administration.  He hastened to say 
this was not a criticism of the current administration but simply 
the result of President-elect Obama's much-appreciated gesture of 
calling CFK.  The new year would be tough, but CFK was looking 
forward to seeing President Obama at the Summit of the Americas in 
Trinidad and Tobago in April.  Cultural and educational ties were 
important, but the GOA considered trade and investment to be key to 
generating jobs.  He added CFK's belief that there should be no 
double standard on UN obligations; all nations must obey UN 
resolutions.  (Comment:  Massa was previewing with the codel a theme 
that CFK would touch upon publicly later in the day.  Media quoted 
CFK making a similar point, claiming the UK had been ignoring UN 
calls for Argentina and the UK to negotiate on the 
Malvinas/Falklands.) 
 
U.S. interests in nationalization of private pensions 
--------------------------------------------- -------- 
 
¶12. (SBU) Rep. Meeks said he hoped the GOA would be able to work out 
satisfactory compensation to MetLife and New York Life for the 
business they lost when the GOA nationalized the country's private 
pension funds (reftel).  He said it was important to address the 
issue in a manner that would send a positive message to investors, 
who were always looking to invest where the rules are clear and 
contracts are enforced.  Rep. Meeks said U.S. legislators were 
""lying low for now,"" hoping an amicable settlement could be reached 
without congressional intervention.  Massa said the nationalization 
of the private pension system had been poorly explained in the 
press.  He remarked on the problems of providing pension coverage in 
a labor market where 40% of workers were ""informal,"" or off the 
books, and unemployment was as high as 25% only a few years ago.  He 
noted that the private pension funds' commissions were as high as 
30% of contributions, yet the conventional wisdom was that the state 
remained the ultimate guarantor for workers at retirement.  With the 
incorporation of the private pension systems' assets into the public 
retirement system, ""we now all have defined retirement benefits plus 
the possibility of a complementary 401(k)-type system."" 
 
¶13. (U) The codel did not have the opportunity to clear this 
report. 
 
WAYNE