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UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 TAIPEI 001471 
 
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SUBJECT: Director's 10/6 Meetings with DPP Tainan Heavyweights 
 
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¶1.  (SBU) Summary:  In his October 6 meeting with the Director, 
Tainan County Magistrate Su commented on former President Chen's 
lingering influence in the DPP, foreshadowed the possible return of 
some of the DPP "old guard," and remarked on DPP Chair's Tsai 
concern over her image.  In a separate luncheon with the Director, 
the always-opinionated Tainan City Mayor Hsu questioned Tsai's party 
leadership skills, criticized President Ma as "nave and ignorant" 
about cross-strait relations, and predicted a solid DPP performance 
in December 2009 "3-in-1" elections.  Both Magistrate Su and Mayor 
Hsu are term limited.  They cannot run for their current offices 
next year, but might be put forward as candidates for other county 
magistrates or mayors.  Barring that, they would be strong 
Legislative Yuan (LY) contenders in 2012.  End summary. 
 
¶2.  (SBU) During his October 6-7 visit to southern Taiwan, Director 
Young met separately with Tainan County Magistrate Su Huan-chi and 
Tainan City Mayor Hsu Tian-tsair.  Both Magistrate Su and Mayor Hsu 
are finishing up their second and final terms in office.  Su has 
long known former President Chen Shui-bian, as both are Tainan 
County natives.  In recent years, however, Su has distanced himself 
from Chen and the deep-green DPP wing, stating that an excessive 
focus on sovereignty issues would marginalize Taiwan in the global 
economy.  Mayor Hsu has enjoyed high popularity ratings in Tainan 
City, devoting much of his energy to promoting the city's 
environmental causes. 
 
Tainan County View: Old Guard Down but Not Out 
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¶2.  (SBU) In his meeting with the Director, Magistrate Su 
acknowledged that former President Chen's ongoing corruption case 
has become an increasingly onerous burden for the DPP.  Chen used to 
be the DPP's most influential figure, Su stated, but his legal 
troubles had reduced his influence on DPP nominations for December 
2009 "3-in-1" county/city/local elections to almost nothing. 
However, Chen still had many die-hard supporters in southern Taiwan, 
particularly in Tainan County.  For example, Tainan County DPP 
Legislative Yuan (LY) member Lee Chun-yih was still trying to use 
Chen's popularity in the county to bolster his possible candidacy 
for county magistrate. 
 
¶3.  (SBU) Su remarked, however, that Chen was not primarily 
responsible for the DPP's demise in January 2008 LY elections.  The 
new "single-member, two-vote" system reduced the scale of the DPP's 
constituency and handed the KMT a significant electoral edge.  Su 
said he had warned Chen about the disadvantages of the new system 
but Chen rejected his advice.  Su also commented that the DPP's 
stinging 2008 electoral defeats had not completely forced the DPP 
old guard to withdraw from the scene.  The retirements were 
temporary, he suggested.  Some of the old guard may be tempted to 
return, especially if President Ma or current DPP Chair Tsai Ing-wen 
stumbled. 
 
¶4.  (SBU) On DPP Chair Tsai, Su commented that Tsai's rise to 
prominence reminded him of the "Palin effect."  Tsai was a new, 
fresh face, who represented the DPP's younger generation.  Tsai was 
very professional, much like Senator Clinton, Su remarked, and was 
highly concerned about protecting her image.  He suggested that 
Tsai's cautious approach signaled her interest in running for 
President in 2012.  Su also speculated that Kaohsiung Mayor Chen Chu 
was gearing up for a 2010 reelection bid.  If Chen secured the DPP 
mayoral nomination, she was likely to face off against KMT LY member 
Huang Chao-shun.  Su was optimistic about Chen's chances in this 
matchup, stating that Huang had too many enemies and that Huang's 
personality was too aggressive to administer the city effectively. 
 
 
Tainan City View: Tsai's Leadership Questionable 
--------------------------------------------- --- 
 
¶5.  (SBU) In a subsequent lunch with the Director, Tainan City Mayor 
Hsu echoed Su's sentiment that former President Chen's legal case 
had damaged the DPP.  Hsu said he had distanced himself from Chen, 
even though Chen had visited Tainan City twice since leaving office. 
 Hsu underscored that he knew Chen extremely well, as the two had 
been high school classmates.  He sympathized with the view that Chen 
was being treated harshly, adding however that many DPP supporters 
 
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were now realizing that Chen may have broken the law.  Hsu suggested 
that President Ma's declining popularity may have helped Chen, since 
some DPP supporters thought DPP Chair Tsai was not tough enough and 
were using Chen to protest Ma's government policies. 
 
¶6.  (SBU) Hsu commented that DPP supporters had high expectations of 
DPP Chair Tsai but party insiders were increasingly questioning her 
leadership abilities.  For example, she took three weeks to decide 
whether to join the 8/30 anti-Ma demonstration in Taipei.  In the 
end, Hsu said, she concluded that the DPP could not afford to weaken 
its ties with the social groups participating in the demonstration 
since those groups formed an important part of the DPP's base. 
Nevertheless, her hesitation cost her some authority within the 
party.  Hsu stressed that Tsai had to do more than just talk about 
Taiwan's sovereignty; she needed to take action.  Hsu also 
complained that Tsai did not know how to reform the DPP.  All of her 
reforms to date were just technical, he remarked, and failed to 
address the deep-rooted structural reform that the party required. 
 
¶7.  (SBU) Hsu was also highly critical of President Ma, remarking 
that Ma was "nave and ignorant" about cross-strait issues and too 
willing to sacrifice Taiwan's sovereignty.  The PRC had deceived Ma 
by not allowing sufficient numbers of PRC tourists to visit Taiwan. 
Hsu agreed with the overall objective of improved cross-strait ties, 
but complained that the PRC had responded to Ma's goodwill with low 
PRC tourist numbers and contaminated dairy products.  Hsu suggested 
that if Ma wanted to consolidate fully his Presidential authority, 
he should serve concurrently as KMT Chair.  Unless Ma forced former 
Chair Lien Chan and current Chair Wu Po-hsiung to relinquish their 
hold on the party, the KMT would be split heading into 2009 "3-in-1" 
elections. 
 
¶8.  (SBU) Handicapping the 2009 elections, Hsu predicted that the 
DPP would hold on to five of its posts in Tainan City and in Tainan, 
Chiayi, Kaohsiung and Pingtung Counties, and had a chance to pick up 
victories in KMT-led Ilan and Changhua Counties.  DPP Chair Tsai 
wanted to wrap up the nomination process by the end of 2008, Hsu 
acknowledged, but the process was more likely to extend into the 
spring 2009.  Key factors in the process included whether Tsai chose 
to ally herself with the "New Tide" faction and whether former 
President Chen could still sway those DPP members to whom he had 
previously offered financial support. 
 
Comment 
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¶9.  (SBU) Both Magistrate Su and Mayor Hsu have tried to carve out 
autonomous reputations in their respective seats, which has led to 
media speculation that they may try to run in different locations 
during "3-in-1" elections next year once their terms are up.  Hsu in 
particular is confident that he could triumph elsewhere, noting to 
us that he is the first elected Tainan City mayor who was not 
originally from Tainan City.  Su may choose to take a break from 
governing after leaving the Tainan County seat.  While running for 
reelection in 2005, he suffered from a serious bout of hepatitis C 
but has since recovered.  If other DPP stalwarts stake their claim 
to other county and mayoral seats in 2009, Su and Hsu may choose to 
sidestep the likely factional battles and compete instead for LY 
seats from Tainan in 2012.  End comment. 
 
CASTRO 
 
WANG