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UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 HO CHI MINH CITY 000503 
 
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TAGS: KIRF PHUM PGOV PREL SOCI VM
SUBJECT: CARDINAL MAN TALKS ABOUT LAND AND OTHER CATHOLIC CONCERNS 
 
REF: A) HANOI 448    B) 07 HCMC 1221    C) 07 HCMC 844 AND PREVIOUS 
 
HO CHI MIN 00000503  001.2 OF 002 
 
 
¶1. (SBU) At dinner with the Consul General on May 14, HCMC 
Cardinal Pham Minh Man was upbeat regarding the recent return of 
land at La Vang, an important pilgrimage site in Hue province. 
Despite this positive development, the Cardinal stressed the 
Church still has many outstanding property issues to resolve. 
Plans to open an expanded center for HIV/AIDS patients appear to 
be moving haltingly forward, while the Church's recently 
re-opened Pastoral Center in HCMC is drawing large crowds of lay 
people "thirsty" for Catholic instruction.  The Cardinal said 
the June visit of a Vatican official to Hanoi will focus 
primarily on filling current and anticipated vacancies in the 
ranks of Vietnamese Bishops.  End summary. 
 
Property Issues 
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¶2. (SBU) During his dinner with the Consul General on May 14, 
Cardinal Man was pleased to report that La Vang, the site of a 
former pilgrimage center in Hue, would be returned to the 
Church.  The Cardinal confirmed that 21 out of 23 hectares at La 
Vang would be returned; the remaining two hectares had 
"environmental issues," according to local authorities in Hue. 
The Church is in the process of finalizing paperwork for the 
transfer of title, but plans to expand the national pilgrimage 
center there (the Church currently has a six-hectare plot with 
temporary center on the site), hopefully in time to receive 
thousands of delegates and pilgrims on August 28.  The site is 
one of three key properties the Church has been pressing the GVN 
to return; the other two are the former residence of the Papal 
Nuncio in Hanoi and the Pontifical Institute in Dalat (Ref A). 
 
The Church on Social Work 
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¶3. (SBU) The Cardinal said their efforts to establish an 
HIV-AIDS center for single mothers and orphans in an outlying 
district of HCMC had been moving forward, albeit haltingly.  The 
Church has been trying to expand their current HIV-AIDS work 
through the building of this center since December 2005, but 
problems with corrupt officials and slow-moving HCMC bureaucracy 
have plagued progress thus far (Ref B).  They thought they had 
made a breakthrough a few months ago when they finally received 
the go-ahead from newly-appointed local officials of Can Gio 
district (after the former district leaders had been sacked for 
corrupt land dealings) and a decision memo authorizing the 
operation of the shelter made the rounds with all relevant HCMC 
agencies.  Unfortunately, the decision now appears to be stuck 
in the HCMC People's Committee--specifically with a new 
Committee vice chairman who appears reluctant to grant 
permission despite the support the project has from Committee 
Deputy Chairman Hai.  Having pushed for 2.5 years already, the 
church is taking this latest setback in stride and is trying to 
find a way forward. 
 
¶4. (SBU) On a more positive note, the Cardinal said the Church's 
newly-opened pastoral center (a training facility for lay 
persons who will serve as deacons and in other non-ordained 
roles) in HCMC is bringing in thousands of HCMC residents 
"thirsty" for theological studies after the many years the 
Church was unable to provide such courses.  Demand is exceeding 
expectations and the center is literally packed to capacity with 
no sign of officials interfering with those attending or 
otherwise discouraging Catholic studies.  The Cardinal said he 
eventually wants to further expand the Church's education 
efforts with children and young people. 
 
¶5. (SBU) The Cardinal contrasted success with the pastoral 
center with the church's ongoing frustration over the roadblocks 
they face with their social work activities.  In a separate 
conversation, the HCMC Vicar General Huynh Cong Minh said that 
the Church has been allowed to carry out charitable works 
"illegally" by having small religious groups work without formal 
NGO status.  A good example of this is the Mai Tam shelter for 
HIV-positive mothers, children and orphans run by Catholic 
Father Toai.  While they continue to work through the red tape 
towards full NGO status for this any other entities, the Church 
also wants full management over the new HIV/AIDS Center they are 
trying to build and hopes this proposal will also be accepted by 
the GVN. 
 
Vatican Emissary Will Focus on Bishops 
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¶6. (SBU) The Consul General brought up a recent Catholic News 
article noting the upcoming visit of Vatican representative 
Monsignor Pietor Parolin to Hanoi in June and asked whether this 
was a positive sign of advancing GVN-Vatican relations.  The 
Cardinal said Monsignor Parolin would be continuing discussions 
with the GVN regarding the need to appoint new bishops to 
current and upcoming vacancies in dioceses where bishops are 
 
HO CHI MIN 00000503  002.2 OF 002 
 
 
reaching retirement age or are too ill to carry out their 
duties.  The Vatican wanted to come in May but the Cardinal said 
the GVN declined because they would be tied up with Vesak Day 
celebrations.  The Cardinal said appointing new bishops from the 
South has been problematic, because the GVN doesn't want "too 
many Southerners" filling these key leadership roles (Ref C). 
 
News From America (and a bit of humor) 
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¶7. (SBU) Cardinal Man will be visiting the U.S. twice during 
2008, both times as part of longer international journeys. 
Asked about attitudes among Vietnamese Americans toward Vietnam, 
he replied that the majority want to rebuild links with their 
homeland while a small but very vocal minority remains 
militantly opposed to any contact with the GVN or Vietnam.  The 
Cardinal went on to explain that during his last American trip 
he learned that there are three types of Vietnamese Catholic 
communities in the USA: Vietnamese, Vietnamese-Americans and 
American-Vietnamese.  In Vietnamese communities, the churches 
are full.  In Vietnamese-American communities, the churches are 
half full.  In American-Vietnamese communities, they are ready 
to sell the churches. 
 
¶8. (U) This cable was coordinated with Embassy Hanoi. 
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