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P 141059Z DEC 07
FM AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 3452
INFO RUEHHI/AMEMBASSY HANOI 2371
RUCNASE/ASEAN MEMBER COLLECTIVE
RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY 3671

UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 HO CHI MINH CITY 001239 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
STATE FOR EAP/MLS, DRL/IRF, DRL/AWH 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PHUM PGOV PREL KIRF VM
SUBJECT: USCIRF IN HCMC: MEETING THE HOA HAO 
 
HO CHI MIN 00001239  001.2 OF 002 
 
 
¶1. (SBU) SUMMARY: The meeting between members of the U.S. 
Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) and a 
group of Hoa Hao followers revealed the group's deep suspicions 
of the GVN and its policies on religion -- suspicions that have 
been fueled by the appointment of an official, GVN-sanctioned 
Hoa Hao Executive Council.  Hoa Hao members at this meeting 
alternately denied that an imprisoned member encouraged others 
to commit suicide by self-immolation and asserted that 
self-immolation was a traditional form of Buddhist protest; they 
denied that an imprisoned member deliberately threw gasoline on 
a GVN official.  The Hoa Hao members complained that religious 
freedom is moving too slowly in Vietnam and that properties 
confiscated after 1975 are not being returned.  End Summary. 
 
¶2. (SBU) Commissioners Cromartie, Bansal, Argue, Gaer, Eid and 
Leo met with Hoa Hao Elder Tran Huu Duyen and Hoa Hao members 
Truong Van Thuc, Nguyen Van Lia and Vo Van Diem (younger brother 
of imprisoned Hoa hao follower Vo Van Thanh Liem) on October 26, 
¶2007.  The Hoa Hao members presented a negative view of 
situation for the unrecognized Hoa Hao sect to which they below 
and condemned the GVN-recognized Hoa Hao Executive Council. 
They listed several cases of persecution by GVN and commented 
that religious freedom improvement in Vietnam is too slow.  They 
also seek international pressure on the GVN to release fourteen 
jailed Hoa Hao followers, whom they believe to have been 
unjustly incarcerated. 
 
¶3. (SBU) The Hoa Hao followers spoke of decades of persecution 
and confiscation of properties since 1975 by the GVN.  They 
accused GVN of carrying out unlawful arrests and detentions 
using violence and carrying out discriminatory measures against 
the Hoa Hao true believers.  Both Nguyen Van Lia and Truong Van 
Thuc blasted religious freedom progress in Vietnam as "too 
slow," adding that true Hoa Hao believers do not view the 
GVN-sanctioned Hoa Hao Executive Council as the democratically 
elected representative of Hoa Hao Buddhism as a whole.  Lia, 
Diem and Thuc said that the GVN put its own people into the 
Executive Council, severely compromising its independence. 
Nguyen Van Lia handed the commissioners a postcard photo of a 
building that used to be the Hoa Hao's library in An Giang 
province.  This building, according to Lia, was confiscated in 
1975 and turned into a bank, which was eventually torn down 
without a court order during a redevelopment project in 2007. 
Lia said that while many Hoa Hao followers felt frustrated and 
tried to protest, the GVN-sanctioned Hoa Hao Executive Council 
remained passive in the face of this GVN decision. 
 
¶4. (SBU) The three Hoa Hao believers specifically raised the 
case of Vo Van Thanh Liem, who was imprisoned for "attempted 
assault" during an incident in 2005. According to Liem's brother 
Vo Van Diem, Liem is a peaceful man who "never killed an ant" 
and devoted his life to the development of religious works. 
Diem said that during the incident in 2005, Liem was pouring 
gasoline over himself when police tried to stop him and several 
others from reconstructing his home-temple gate.  They went on 
to state that some of the gasoline "splashed" on a nearby GVN 
official, who suffered no injury.  (Note: The GVN strongly 
contests this version of events and maintains that Liem 
deliberately threw gasoline on an official who was attempting to 
stop suicide attempts.  In September 2005, Liem was sentenced to 
7 years of imprisonment for attempting to injure others.  In the 
same incident that led to Liem's arrest, two other Hoa Hao 
followers doused themselves with gasoline and set themselves 
alight; one died of his burns.  End note.)  Diem referred to the 
incident as a "set-up" by GVN to provoke the Hoa Hao believers 
into extreme actions, noting that the electricity and water 
supply for the home-temple had been cut off a few days earlier. 
 
¶5.  (SBU) Commissioners asked the Hoa Hao members' view on Le 
Quang Liem-another leader of one of the Hoa Hao groups-to 
confirm whether he encouraged his own followers to self-immolate 
as accused by the GVN.  The Hoa Hao members said that although 
Le Quang Liem started out with peaceful protest, he was soon 
forced into using self-immolation as a means of protest after 
severe persecution by GVN.  While they did not agree that Liem 
encouraged followers to burn themselves, they did state that 
self-immolation has been a traditional way of protest for 
Buddhists.  Commissioner Gaer asked the Hoa Hao members that 
there was an official law in Vietnam that bans self-immolation; 
they replied that there is not.  (Note: Suicide is illegal in 
Vietnam, as in most countries.  End Note.) 
 
¶6. (SBU) In response to questions from USCIRF concerning 
incidents of reported persecution, the Hoa Hao members cited 
several the following cases:  6 Hoa Hao monks sentenced to jail 
terms for peaceful demonstration (May 2006); two Hoa Hao members 
attempted self-immolation (Note: one died; one was seriously 
injured and later imprisoned in August 2006. There appears to be 
come confusion between this case and one in August 2005. End 
 
HO CHI MIN 00001239  002.2 OF 002 
 
 
note); four Hoa Hao members arrested after a hunger strike (May 
2007); and a beating at the death anniversary of a 
self-immolated follower (August 2007). The Hoa Hao members 
handed appeal letters from the families of 14 Hoa Hao prisoners 
to the CIRF Commissioners and called for pressure on GVN to 
release them. 
 
¶7. (SBU) While Lia, Diem and Thuc actively participated in 
exchanges with the CIRF Commissioners, Elder Tran Huu Duyen was 
largely silent and showed no opinion at the meeting.  Lia, Diem, 
and Thuc also reported that police came to see them before they 
traveled from An Giang province to HCMC for the meeting. 
Policemen also sat in the hotel lobby during the meeting and 
followed the Hoa Hao members afterwards.  At the end of the 
meeting, some of the commissioners gave the Hoa Hao members some 
money to cover their travel costs. 
 
Comment 
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¶8. (SBU) With several members of this particular Hoa Hao sect in 
jail and in light of the ongoing dispute over confiscated 
properties, the group's distrust of the GVN is understandable. 
At the same time, the specific incidents of GVN persecution 
cited by the Hoa Hao members generally appear to be linked to 
attempts by the GVN to prevent Hoa Hao members from committing 
suicide by self-immolation.   End comment. 
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