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Viewing cable 07HANOI1852, USCIRF MEETING WITH VICE MINISTER OF PUBLIC SECURITY NGUYEN

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07HANOI1852 2007-10-29 09:07 2011-08-26 00:00 UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Embassy Hanoi
VZCZCXRO1717
RR RUEHCHI RUEHCN RUEHDT RUEHHM
DE RUEHHI #1852/01 3020907
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
R 290907Z OCT 07
FM AMEMBASSY HANOI
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 6599
INFO RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH 3868
RUEHZS/ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE
RHEHNSC/NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WASHINGTON DC
UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 HANOI 001852 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
STATE FOR EAP/MLS, DRL/IRF, AND DRL/AWH 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PGOV PREL KIRF PINR VM
 
SUBJECT: USCIRF MEETING WITH VICE MINISTER OF PUBLIC SECURITY NGUYEN 
VAN HUONG 
 
 
HANOI 00001852  001.2 OF 002 
 
 
1. (SBU) Summary: On October 23, members of the United States 
Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) met with GVN 
Vice Minister of Public Security (MPS) Nguyen Van Huong.  Members 
asked Huong about the registration of Protestant organizations, 
establishing independent Buddhist religious organizations in 
Vietnam, and police training on human rights as well as individual 
cases.  Huong agreed to allow access for the group to a prison to 
visit two prisoners of concern to USCIRF.  End summary. 
 
2.(SBU) On October 23, Nguyen Van Huong welcomed the USCIRF 
delegation to the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) for a meeting 
scheduled to last one hour, but which lasted two.  He also hosted 
the delegation to lunch.  Huong opened the meeting by noting the 
issue of religious freedom is regularly discussed between Vietnam 
and the United States.  MPS is not made up of specialists on 
religious freedom so it welcomes USCIRF's interest.  USCIRF Chairman 
Michael Cromartie noted that religious freedom was not solely a 
"U.S. idea," and that it existed in covenants of international law 
to which he hoped Vietnam would deepen its commitment, as it 
prepares to join the UN Security Council.  He said he was interested 
in examining whether recent arrests of dissidents will derail 
progress on religious freedom, noting that "progress overall" had 
stalled recently.  He then gave the floor to his four commissioner 
colleagues in turn. 
 
3.(SBU) Commissioner Preeta Bansal asked about the prospects for 
registering Buddhist sects to make them independent of the national 
Buddhist association, the Vietnam Buddhist Sangha (VBS).  In reply, 
Huong noted that in 1981 the Buddhist community in Vietnam had 
decided to unite, but that some leaders were unsatisfied with the 
positions they received in the new organization.  Huong said that 
Khmer Buddhists identified by some as "religious prisoners" had 
broken various laws, but added that USCIRF was free to meet with 
those directly involved and hear their stories when in the south. 
Bansal, noting that Huong had said at one point that "lawbreakers 
would be arrested," asked Huong point blank whether he was planning 
to arrest members of the UBCV.  Huong said he has no such plans. 
 
4.(SBU) Bansal noted that Vice Minister Huong had played a key role 
in opening up the Central Highlands for greater religious freedom, 
and asked whether he would help with the recognition of more than 
one Buddhist group if that were desired.  Huong responded that under 
Vietnamese law there can only be one body for each religion.  In the 
case of Protestantism there are many different churches and those 
are all recognized, but the GVN will not recognize more than one 
body for each religion or sect.  He did not clarify, however, in 
what way Protestantism differed from Buddhism with regard to a 
national coordinating body. 
 
5.(SBU) USCIRF Commissioner Felice Gaer noted allegations of abuse, 
including beating deaths, and asked Huong to accept lists of USCIRF 
persons of concern.  Huong agreed to accept the lists.  Gaer asked 
for help in facilitating visits to persons detained and their 
release, mentioning jailed human rights lawyers Nguyen Van Dai and 
Le Thi Cong Nhan.  She further asked for an independent government 
body to be set up to look into abuse allegations, and inquired about 
training for police. 
 
6.(SBU) Huong responded that Vietnam does not believe in or condone 
any kind of torture and that the abuse of authority was illegal and 
would be punished.  He welcomed information on allegations, and said 
many GVN officials had been punished for misconduct.  Not every case 
is made public, Huong said, but if the Commission was interested he 
could provide a list. 
 
7.(SBU) Huong stated that Dai and Nhan were arrested not for 
expressing their political views, something that is done all the 
time in Vietnam's newspapers and not considered criminal.  Rather, 
the two have been jailed for organizing resistance to the government 
beyond mere expressions of opinion.  He said the appeal trials of 
Dai, Nhan and dissident Catholic priest Nguyen Van Ly would be held 
"in the near future," and that they would have good lawyers.  He 
also said they potentially could benefit from amnesty or sentence 
reductions in the future if their convictions were upheld.  He said 
he did not have the precise date of the appeal hearing, but that 
diplomats will be invited to attend.  Huong said he was open to the 
idea of establishing a mechanism to review abuse allegations of law 
enforcement officials. 
 
8.(SBU) Commissioner Donald Argue asked why prison authorities 
refuse to allow Nguyen Van Dai and Le Thi Cong Nhan to have Bibles 
and medicine from their families and why their appeal trials had 
been postponed beyond the statutory 90 days after the initial trial. 
 He reiterated the request to visit the two in prison.  Huong said 
that the Bibles and medicine were no problem and said he could 
facilitate a visit to the prison for the USCIRF delegation.   He 
 
HANOI 00001852  002.2 OF 002 
 
 
also asked when the USCIRF delegation would be available to visit 
the prison.  Argue concluded by stating that he recognized that 
there has been much progress in Vietnam over recent years, not 
addressing Huong's query. 
 
9.(SBU) Commissioner Imam Talal Y. Eid asked about the training of 
police with regard to upholding religious freedom and human rights, 
and whether international experts would be welcome to improve such 
training.  Huong said a nation-wide round of training for local 
police officials had taken place and that short-term human rights 
training was part of the basic police course.  Denmark has been 
particularly active in training Vietnamese police on human rights 
issues, Huong said, and he would be prepared to send officers to a 
human rights training course at the International Law Enforcement 
Academy (ILEA) in Bangkok.  Commissioner Eid also asked to see the 
police training manuals regarding human rights, which Huong 
provided. 
 
10.(SBU) At several points during the meeting, Huong reiterated that 
the GVN wished the delegation to meet and speak with a range of 
persons in Vietnam, and that he hoped the group would come to hold a 
"balanced" picture of advances in religious freedom.  In this vein, 
he underscored that the group was free to meet with whomever it 
wished.  As the meeting ended, Huong clarified his earlier comment, 
asking if the group wanted to visit Nguyen Van Dai and Le Thi Cong 
Nhan in prison that afternoon.  The USCIRF Commissioners all 
responded positively.  The group visited the two prisoners, outside 
Hanoi, later that day (septel). 
 
11. (U) This message was cleared with USCIRF Chairman Cromartie. 
 
MICHALAK