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P R 142112Z AUG 07
FM AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 2991
INFO RUEHHI/AMEMBASSY HANOI 2117
RUCNARF/ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE
RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY 3195

UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 HO CHI MINH CITY 000846 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PHUM SOCI PREL PGOV ECON VM
SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR'S FAREWELL CALL WITH POLITICAL ACTIVIST NGUYEN 
DAN QUE 
 
 
HO CHI MIN 00000846  001.2 OF 002 
 
 
¶1.  (SBU) Summary: On August 7, Ambassador Marine met with Dr. 
Nguyen Dan Que in Ho Chi Minh City to discuss the state of the 
democracy and human rights movement in Vietnam as well as to 
inquire after his health and treatment by the GVN since 
publication in mid-June 2007 of his critical op-ed in the Asian 
Wall Street Journal.  Dr. Que said police surveillance has 
increased and authorities continue to block his phone and 
internet service.  In spite of these difficulties, Que was 
simultaneously uncompromising in his criticism of GVN's lack of 
progress on human rights and hopeful about the democracy 
movement in Vietnam, which he feels is being bolstered by 
Vietnam's economic growth and global integration.  The 
Ambassador asked Dr. Que for his views on what the USG and 
public should do in response to GVN actions and perceived human 
rights violations.  Dr. Que stated that more trade, more 
fellowship and greater engagement are the keys to change in 
Vietnam.  End Summary. 
 
DR. QUE DOING OK, STILL WITHOUT PHONE AND INTERNET 
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¶2.  (SBU) Dr. Que was able to attend the meeting with Ambassador 
Marine at the Caravelle Hotel without interference from the 
authorities and expressed appreciation to the Ambassador for his 
efforts to promote better understanding and relations between 
the United States and Vietnam.  The Ambassador inquired about 
Dr. Que's health and whether police surveillance and 
interference with his activities has increased since he wrote a 
highly critical op-ed carried by the Asian Wall Street Journal 
(WSJ) just prior to President Nguyen Minh Triet's June 22 
meeting with President Bush.  Dr. Que said his health is good, 
thanks in part to medication that his brother (prominent 
Vietnamese American democracy activist Dr. Nguyen Quoc Quan) 
sends from the United States.  He thanked the Ambassador for his 
assistance in communicating with his family.  Since his article 
was published in the Asian WSJ, Dr. Que said his internet 
service and telephone service have been blocked by GVN 
authorities.  Dr. Que says that police surveillance has also 
increased now there are five secret police are stationed outside 
his home.  When Ambassador asked whether Que had any future 
plans to visit the United States, Que said he still wished to 
see his brother in Virginia but he is afraid the GVN would not 
allow him to return to Vietnam afterwards. 
 
DR. QUE CALLS TRIET VISIT A FAILURE 
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¶3.  (SBU) Ambassador Marine noted that in the past six-to-nine 
months, a number of activists have either been imprisoned or 
detained and asked Dr. Que about the effect of the GVN dissident 
crackdown on the democracy movement in Vietnam.  Dr. Que said 
the crackdown has forced the democracy movement to splinter into 
smaller groups, knowing that if protesters were united they 
would be easier to repress.  Dr. Que said there are more 
opportunities for simultaneous pressure on the GVN and all are 
reacting against what Que called the "tyranny of the regime." 
Que remarked the GVN talks about "people power" in public and in 
the media, but in reality they have not made any concrete 
changes in human rights policy. 
 
¶4.  (SBU) Dr. Que said that "everyone knows" President Triet's 
visit to the United States was not a political success for 
Vietnam.  According to Dr. Que, the purpose of President Triet's 
visit was to garner USG support for the GVN's political reform 
plan and bring domestic and overseas Vietnamese communities 
closer together.  Que said that, instead of getting praise, 
President Triet was reprimanded for GVN's human rights abuses by 
President Bush and the U.S. Congress. 
 
DEMOCRATIC CHANGE IS INEVITABLE 
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¶5.  (SBU) When the Ambassador asked Que about the pace of 
democratic change in Vietnam, Que said internal change is 
dependent upon democratic progress in places like the Middle 
East, Africa and other parts of Asia.  He noted the 
establishment of the ASEAN Human Rights Committee was an 
important sign of progress in Southeast Asia, and stressed that 
economic investment, increased trade, and increased fellowship 
will have the greatest impact on democratic change in Vietnam. 
Dr. Que believes that Vietnam's younger generation has a 
critical role in demanding freedom in Vietnam and that their 
interests are no different from youth around the world. 
Although younger Vietnamese seem outwardly accepting of social 
conditions in Vietnam, they are actually fearful underneath, he 
noted. 
 
¶6.  (SBU) When the Ambassador asked whether the Communist Party 
would ever consent to sharing power in the government, Que said 
he envisioned two paths of reform: either a change led by 
 
HO CHI MIN 00000846  002.2 OF 002 
 
 
powerful government and business leaders who desire property 
rights reform in order to protect their newfound wealth, or 
change led by "peasants and workers" adversely affected by 
Vietnam's economic liberalization who then pressure the GVN for 
better laws to protect their rights.  In either case, Dr. Que 
believes Vietnam must have clear and enforceable private 
ownership laws to sustain economic growth.  Que also emphasized 
that the emergence of a rising middle class is a pre-condition 
for political change in Vietnam.  He is firmly convinced that 
the WTO ascension will force the GVN to implement legal reforms 
necessary to maintain economic growth and address social 
inequities in Vietnam. 
 
MORE ENGAGEMENT IS KEY 
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¶7.  (SBU) The Ambassador asked for Dr. Que's opinion about the 
view held by some that the USG and the American public should 
have less economic, social and political engagement with Vietnam 
in light of GVN human rights policies.  Dr. Que emphasized that 
"more and more" trade, fellowship and economic engagement are 
the keys to influencing change in Vietnam. 
 
¶8.  (SBU) The Ambassador encouraged Dr. Que to maintain contact 
with the United States Mission, provided the contact did not 
create additional problems with the GVN authorities.  Dr. Que 
quipped that, although surveillance has increased in recent 
months, he no longer gets harassing phone calls since the 
authorities disconnected his telephone.  He also remarked that 
after imprisoning him for 20 years, the GVN finally realized 
their actions have had no effect on Que's activities or opinions 
and so, for the most part, they have left him alone.  After 
taking his farewell with Ambassador Marine, Poloff escorted Dr. 
Que to a nearby cafe where his son was waiting to take him home. 
 
¶9.  (U) This cable was coordinated with Embassy Hanoi and 
cleared by Ambassador Marine. 
FAIRFAX