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SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR'S MEETING WITH DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER/FOREIGN 
MINISTER KHIEM 
 
 
HANOI 00001382  001.2 OF 003 
 
 
(U)  This cable is sensitive but unclassified.  Not for internet 
posting. 
 
¶1. (SBU) Summary: During the August 2 farewell lunch he hosted for 
Ambassador and Mrs. Marine, Vietnam's Deputy Prime Minister and 
Foreign Minister Pham Gia Khiem noted the many achievements in 
U.S.-Vietnam relations during the Ambassador's tenure.  The 
Ambassador agreed that improvements had been made in many areas, but 
pushed for greater progress on areas of ongoing concern such as 
human rights and legal and economic reform as well as specific 
issues including the Peace Corps, a New Embassy Compound, and a 
possible new consulate in Danang.  DPM Khiem said his ministry would 
seek to be helpful in addressing these issues.  Turning to Vietnam's 
future role as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council, 
DPM Khiem declared that the GVN agrees with the position of the 
United States on many of the key issues facing the UNSC.  End 
Summary. 
 
SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENTS, NEXT STEPS 
------------------------------------ 
 
¶2. (SBU) Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pham Gia Khiem 
hosted a farewell lunch for Ambassador and Mrs. Marine on August 2. 
DPM Khiem cited the great progress that has been made in 
U.S.-Vietnam relations during the Ambassador's tenure, notably the 
granting of PNTR to Vietnam and the removal of Vietnam from the 
Countries of Particular Concern (CPC) list.  He also highlighted the 
signing of the Trade and Investment Framework Agreement (TIFA) with 
the United States in June 2007.  The Ambassador agreed that the 
"economic side of the relationship" is going well, although the 
United States would like to see an improved balance of trade.  There 
are significant achievements, the Ambassador said, but they are only 
the beginning.  The United States supports a strong, vibrant, and 
independent Vietnam as a key to peace and security in the region, he 
emphasized. 
 
¶3. (SBU) There are many areas where we can work together, including 
programs to deepen democracy, expand the rule of law and improve the 
quality of governance, the Ambassador told DPM Khiem.  We are 
encouraged that DPM Khiem responded positively to the March letter 
from Senator Patrick Leahy to President Triet in this connection, 
and now is the time to transform that willingness and commitment 
into concrete actions. 
 
HUMAN RIGHTS: CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE, SPECFIFIC CASES 
--------------------------------------------- ------- 
 
¶4. (SBU) The Ambassador noted that, during his recent visit to 
Washington, President Nguyen Minh Triet made the point that we must 
continue our dialogue on human rights.  We agree, the Ambassador 
said, and hope to address human rights and related issues in ways 
that are effective.  As President Bush made clear, friends of the 
United States must understand that we have a principled commitment 
to call for the recognition and adherence to human rights.  The DPM 
noted President Triet was frank in his discussion of the issue with 
President Bush, and the Ambassador agreed that, while they did not 
come to a full agreement on the issue, their frank exchange of views 
was beneficial. 
 
¶5. (SBU) The Ambassador observed that Vietnam and the United States 
have different views on press freedom, freedom of speech and freedom 
of assembly.  The Ambassador noted he recently sent a letter to Vice 
Foreign Minister Le Van Bang regarding two groups of people of 
interest to the United States: prisoners convinced of "crimes" 
related to their peaceful expression of political views who are 
eligible for amnesty and another group who have been detained for 
extended periods without being charged.  The laws that these 
individuals have been charged with violating are "not appropriate 
for the Vietnam of today," said the Ambassador, and we hope the GVN 
will release these individuals soon. 
 
¶7. (SBU) The Ambassador also raised four cases of particular concern 
by name: Catholic priest Nguyen Van Ly, two lawyers: Nguye Van Dai 
and Le Thi Cong Nhan, and a journalist, Ms. Tran Khai Thanh Thuy. 
Ly, Dai and Nhan have been tried and sentenced to long prison terms 
for actions that we see as expressions of their basic human rights, 
the Ambassador said.  We urge the GVN to release them as soon as 
possible, in accordance with Vietnamese law. 
 
¶8. (SBU) Ms. Thuy's "crime" was postings on the internet calling for 
greater freedom in Vietnam.  We understand she has been held without 
charge since April, and we hope she can be treated leniently under 
Vietnamese law.  Neither she nor any of the other individuals whose 
cases we have raised have called for violence; they have only 
advocated political change, which is something we believe people 
should be allowed to do, the Ambassador stressed. 
 
HANOI 00001382  002.2 OF 003 
 
 
 
¶9. (SBU) Those on the lists passed to the MFA are not necessarily 
the high-profile Vietnamese prisoners who attract attention around 
the world, the Ambassador noted.  Even for those who are not 
eligible for amnesty, allowing families and lawyers to visit them 
freely is both the right thing to do and would lead to a boost to 
Vietnam's image.  The Ambassador also asked Khiem to help arrange 
access by U.S. Embassy staff to prisoners of concern, including Ly, 
Dai, and Nhan.  DPM Khiem said he would discuss these issues with 
the Ministry of Public Security (MPS).  The Ambassador encouraged 
the DPM to do so, saying that he also intends to raise individual 
cases and our general concerns directly with the MPS. 
 
PEACE CORPS, NEW EMBASSY: NEED GVN RESPONSE 
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¶10. (SBU) The Ambassador told Khiem that, in his view, we are not 
that far from agreement on opening a Peace Corps program in Vietnam. 
 A number of senior Vietnamese leaders have told him that they want 
to see this happen, he noted.  The problems appear when we attempt 
to engage on technical details.  The Ambassador said we would be 
working with the Ministry of Education and Training on this issue, 
and DPM Khiem said he would also try to move the process along on 
the Vietnamese side. 
 
¶11. (SBU) We have similar problems with regard to a New Embassy 
Compound, the Ambassador told DPM Khiem; there has been much work by 
both sides but we still have not closed a deal.  We need, in 
particular, a counter-offer on price from the Vietnamese side to 
move towards an agreement.  The DPM said he agreed that the United 
States needs a new embassy that reflects the growing relationship. 
The Ambassador added the Embassy is still adding staff, and thanked 
the MFA for moving quickly to provide accreditation.  Ultimately we 
would like more of our diplomats to study Vietnamese in Hanoi and Ho 
Chi Minh City, the Ambassador added, which will require Vietnam to 
begin issuing visas to these students; the DPM said he supported 
this idea. 
 
CONSULATES, CONSULAR DISTRICT ISSUES 
------------------------------------ 
 
¶12. (SBU) We are also seriously considering opening a consulate in 
Danang, the Ambassador said, a small post to serve the important 
central coast region that does not get the attention it deserves 
from the United States.  We would also welcome, in principle, 
Vietnam's interest in opening new consulates in the United States. 
DPM Khiem said Vietnam is considering changes, including possibly 
moving its Consulate General in San Francisco to Los Angeles, and 
may open new consulates in either Houston and Chicago.  The 
Ambassador said we will be happy to discuss the details when Vietnam 
is ready. 
 
¶13. (SBU) The Ambassador noted that in Vietnam we cover the 
day-to-day work in the southern half of the country from our 
Consulate General in Ho Chi Minh City (HCMC).  Occasionally, 
however, local officials interfere when consulate officers work 
outside HCMC itself.  This is an issue that also affects other 
diplomatic missions in Vietnam and, while it has not so far been a 
serious issue, it could become a major problem if consulate officers 
were denied access to a region during a crisis or natural disaster. 
 
 
UNSC: AREAS FOR COOPERATION, JOINT STUDY 
---------------------------------------- 
 
¶14. (SBU) Turning to Vietnam's candidacy for a non-permament seat on 
the UN Security Council, DPM Khiem said Vietnam has been preparing 
for this role.  The Ambassador noted the UNSC will be deeply engaged 
on difficult issues such as North Korea, Iran, Burma and Sudan and 
that we look forward to working closely with Hanoi in this arena. 
Khiem responded that Vietnam's positions are actually quite close to 
those of the United States on many major issues, such as dealing 
with North Korea. 
 
¶15. (SBU) One possible way to improve our understanding of these and 
other issues could be joint studies on various topics by our offices 
that do policy and planning, the DPM suggested.  The Ambassador 
agreed that having experts share ideas privately and informally 
could be very useful over time.  Improving the training of its 
diplomats is a major priority of the MFA, DPM Khiem said, and this 
could also involve exchanges with U.S. experts in that field. 
 
¶16. (SBU) In response to the Ambassador's question, the DPM said it 
is likely that Vice Foreign Minister Le Cong Phung will take the job 
as the next Ambassador to the United States despite issues with 
Vietnam's age regulations preventing service beyond 60 at the vice 
 
HANOI 00001382  003.2 OF 003 
 
 
ministerial level.  The government is trying to reinvigorate its 
leadership, getting younger people into more senior positions, but 
there must be exceptions to the rules.  The Prime Minister is now 
considering a recommendation by the MFA that the age limit for 
ambassadors should be raised to 65 in certain circumstances. 
 
¶17. (SBU) The Ambassador said our two nations have a good dialogue 
on terrorism, though Vietnam could still do more to protect its 
commercial banks from illicit use.  The Global Initiative to Combat 
Nuclear Terrorism launched by Presidents Bush and Putin now has 51 
partner nations and we believe Vietnam should become a partner as 
well.  In addition, we are working to improve safety at Vietnam's 
research reactor at Dalat by converting it from highly-enriched to 
low-enriched uranium.  We and the Russians are also willing to 
remove spent uranium from the site at no cost, and we are discussing 
this with the Ministry of Science and Technology.  DPM Khiem 
responded that Vietnam's policy is that nuclear technology should 
only be used for peaceful purposes, so the GVN would like to 
cooperate on this issue. 
 
LEGACY ISSUES 
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¶18. (SBU) On dioxin, the Ambassador said that, while we have made 
much progress in broadening our bilateral dialogue on this issue 
over three years, it is important now to find effective ways to 
spend the USD three million recently appropriated by Congress in 
order to produce concrete results.  We will remain engaged in 
helping people who have disabilities regardless of the cause, but 
this should not be held out as an obligation or directly tied to 
"Agent Orange."  Similarly on unexploded ordance, we have a budget 
of USD 3.6 million this year but that will decrease over time, so 
the money must be used more efficiently and new donors must be 
engaged. 
 
¶19. (SBU) DCM Khiem pointed out that we have seen great progress on 
MIA issues.  The Ambassador said this move was well received, and 
noted the USNS Bruce Heezen will visit Danang in October for a 
meteorological mission, but that we hope it can also contribute 
eventually to the fullest accounting mission by demonstrating new 
capabilities to conduct underwater searches. 
 
NONLETHAL DEFENSE ARTICLES 
-------------------------- 
 
¶20. (SBU) The Ambassador noted that he had met with Minister of 
Defense Phung Quang Thanh earlier in the week, and they had agreed 
that the relationship is moving in the right direction on mil-to-mil 
issues.  However, since President Bush decided in December 2006 that 
Vietnam could buy nonlethal defense articles, no requests for 
purchases have been received.  In FY2009 there may be up to USD one 
million available for military equipment-related grants, but we need 
to show some activity to get things started.  DPM Khiem said this 
could be discussed in connection with a possible visit to the United 
States by Defense Minister Thanh. 
 
COMMENT 
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¶21. (SBU) Pham Gia Khiem, who has just been reappointed as Foreign 
Minister, in addition to his position as deputy prime minister, 
seems set to continue leading the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for 
the immediate future.  Reports of personnel changes, however, imply 
that he will give up the subordinate position at some point in the 
future.  The DPM was in his usual form, jovial and focused, but not 
in command of detail in all areas. 
 
MARINE