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Viewing cable 09UNVIEVIENNA247, CTBT: VIENNA P5 MEETING AT WORKING LEVEL -GUIDANCE

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09UNVIEVIENNA247 2009-05-28 15:01 2011-08-30 01:44 CONFIDENTIAL UNVIE
VZCZCXYZ0002
PP RUEHWEB

DE RUEHUNV #0247/01 1481501
ZNY CCCCC ZZH
P 281501Z MAY 09
FM USMISSION UNVIE VIENNA
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 9514
INFO RUEHBJ/AMEMBASSY BEIJING 0844
RUEHLO/AMEMBASSY LONDON 1156
RUEHMO/AMEMBASSY MOSCOW 0908
RUEHFR/AMEMBASSY PARIS 1011
RUCNDT/USMISSION USUN NEW YORK 1663
RUEKJCS/DOD WASHDC
RUEHGV/USMISSION GENEVA 0889
RHEBAAA/DOE WASHDC
RUEKJCS/SECDEF WASHDC
RHEHNSC/NSC WASHDC
C O N F I D E N T I A L UNVIE VIENNA 000247 
 
SIPDIS 
 
DEPT FOR ISN/MNSA, VCI/NA, IO/T 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/22/2014 
TAGS: KTBT AORC PARM
SUBJECT: CTBT: VIENNA P5 MEETING AT WORKING LEVEL -GUIDANCE 
REQUEST 
 
Classified By: Ambassador Gregory L. Schulte.  Reasons 1.4 b and d. 
 
1. (U) The French Mission to international organizations in 
Vienna convened an initial meeting of P5 representatives to 
the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) on 
April 30.  Participants in the meeting spent most of their 
time delineating what might or might not profitably be done 
in such a format.  The most significant strong agreement was 
that meetings of experts from P5 countries on the margins of 
Working Group B (WGB) would be potentially very useful in 
improving the productivity of WGB meetings. 
 
2. (C) Both the Russian and Chinese delegates were clearly 
very pleased to meet at this level and in this grouping.  The 
Chinese counselor had previously expressed unease at being a 
member of the G77 plus China and forthrightly stated it was 
more appropriate for China to participate in the P5.  He 
remains under instruction, however, to join G77 consensus, 
clearly an overriding foreign policy consideration for China. 
Hence, there is no reason to expect immediate Chinese help on 
the budget or the schedule of meetings in Working Group B, 
but P5 meetings could serve as the thin edge of the wedge. 
The Chinese described P5 coordination on CTBT as necessary in 
light of the improving prospects for entry into force of the 
Treaty.  He cited P5 cooperation in other multilateral 
arms-control fora as crucial.  On Chinese ratification of the 
Treaty, he said his government continued to examine the issue 
carefully and was watching the U.S. ratification debate with 
keen interest. 
 
3. (C) The Russian delegation seemed just as pleased to be 
participating, but the Russians were much less vocal and more 
cautious.  Any decisions of note had to be referred to 
Moscow.  The Russians also repeated several times that people 
at their Mission did not understand technical issues and had 
to ask advice from their experts.  There were also warnings 
that Russia might not be able to afford to send experts to 
additional meetings, along with reminders that many Russian 
experts could not speak English and that translation would be 
necessary in any proposed meetings.  The Russian delegation 
also emphasized they could not discuss political issues. 
 
4. (C) Comment.  In addition to organizing experts meetings 
on the margins of Working Group B, the P5 format in Vienna 
could be a convenient way to make suggestions in advance of 
meetings on which issues the USG believes are most important. 
 All participants wanted to find means to avoid surprises in 
the plenary working group meetings.  Sharing positions and 
listing priorities through this grouping prior to scheduled 
meetings of the Preparatory Commission policy making organs 
could serve to help ensure greater progress and more 
substantive discussion.  Mission requests guidance on further 
use of the proposed P5 format.  End Comment. 
 
5. (U) The official French minutes of the meeting state the 
following: 
 
The participants 
 
--  expressed unanimous interest in holding meetings at the 
missions at the counsellor and expert level, with the aim of 
exchanging information and views, in particular about the 
progress of the ratification process and the steps taken to 
aid entry into force of the CTBT; 
 
-- acknowledged that the format of such meetings could 
however be inadequate for discussing highly technical issues; 
 
-- agreed not to discuss purely political issues in such 
meetings; 
 
-- agreed to organize, on a rotating basis, on the occasion 
of Working Group B sessions, meetings with experts coming 
from capitals with the aim of exchanging information and 
views on the technical issues to be discussed in the 
above-mentioned session; 
 
-- agreed to organize, on a rotating basis and as 
appropriate, meetings at the missions at the counsellor and 
expert level before each session of the policy making organs 
 
of the CTBTO PrepCom (WGA, WGB, Plenary sessions of the 
PrepCom), in order to discuss the issues on the agendas of 
such sessions. 
SCHULTE