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06PARIS1510 2006-03-09 13:12 2011-08-30 01:44 SECRET Embassy Paris
This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 PARIS 001510 
 
SIPDIS 
 
C O R R E C T E D  C O P Y (DATES, PARA 1, 2 AND 5) 
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/09/2016 
TAGS: PREL MARR MARR FR EUN NATO FRPREL EUN NATO
SUBJECT: SOME MOD THINKING ON NATO, DARFUR, AND ARM SALES 
TO VENEZUELA 
 
Classified By: Political Minister-Counselor Josiah Rosenblatt, Reason 1 
.4 B/D 
 
1. (S) Summary: In a March 8 meeting, senior MOD officials 
affirmed that the French Government has embargoed arms sales 
to Venezuela, although the decision may still not be final. 
On Darfur, France is not opposed to a NATO assistance role, 
but officials cautioned that the West, whether NATO or EU, 
will need to carefully manage relief efforts, given African 
resistance to a Western presence.  MOD officials also 
expressed satisfaction with existing NATO operations in 
Afghanistan (ISAF) and in the Balkans, but they worry that 
NATO might consider an early withdrawal in Kosovo.  Defense 
Minister Alliot-Marie, who had planned a Washington visit 
early in 2006 is now tentatively looking at a late May or 
June travel date to Washington and possibly other sites in 
the United States.  End Summary. 
 
Defense Minister to Chile and U.S. 
--------------------------------- 
 
2. (C) On March 8, DATT and Embassy Pol/miloff met with 
Captain Yves Joli, Deputy Director of the Defense Ministry's 
Military Cabinet, and LtCOL Denis Millot, North America desk 
officer in the MOD's Strategic Affairs directorate.  In a 
free flowing tour d'horizon discussion, Joli confirmed 
Defense Minister Alliot-Marie's attendance at the March 11 
inauguration of Chile's new President Bachelet, as well as 
Alliot-Marie's request for a short pull aside with Secretary 
Rice.  He thought the meeting would be useful to touch on 
French-U.S. cooperation in the region (Haiti-Venezuela), 
maritime drug interdiction efforts, and transatlantic 
relations, to include at NATO and the EU.  Alliot-Marie would 
be prepared to also broach Iran and other middle-east issues, 
time permitting. 
 
3. (C) Joli also noted that Alliot-Marie's original plan to 
travel to the United States early in 2006 had evolved.  She 
is now looking at going to Washington in the late May, June 
timeframe.  In addition to meetings in Washington, the MOD is 
also seeking speaking opportunities for her elsewhere in the 
United States, possibly to include the West coast. 
 
Sub sales to Venezuela are off, for now 
--------------------------------------- 
 
4. (S) In response to Pol/Miloff's question on the status of 
French arms sales to Venezuela, including possible submarine 
sales, Joli stated that President Chirac--for now--had put a 
hold on all arms exports to Venezuela.  Joli volunteered his 
personal view that it was unfortunate that helicopter sales 
were affected by this ban; they were less of a threat to the 
United States in the region. 
 
5. (S) In a separate March 9 conversation with Col Millot, 
he explained that the Prime Minister's office, which oversees 
arms export controls, recently had issued instructions that 
all arms exports to Venezuela were to be "frozen."  Expanding 
on Joli's March 8 comments, Millot said that he had heard, 
but not seen any written instructions, that President Chirac 
had stated that "he did not want to see any submarine sales 
to Venezuela." (Comment: This was the first time we have 
heard in such emphatic terms that submarine sales were off, 
at least for now.  In our previous discussions with GoF 
officials, they had indicated merely that sub sales was only 
at a very preliminary stage of discussion.  End comment) 
 
No intrinsic opposition to NATO in Darfur 
---------------------------------------- 
 
6. (C) As the conversation turned to NATO, Joli and Millot 
pointed to President Chirac's recent phone conversation with 
the President, in which he reportedly confirmed that France 
was not opposed in principle to a NATO assistance role in 
Darfur.  Joli, however, very emphatically cautioned that the 
West would have to be careful in how we handled our relief 
efforts.  Notwithstanding the great humanitarian need in the 
region, it was telling that the AU had still not asked either 
NATO or the EU for assistance.  He ventured an often-stated 
French view that Africans are hesitant to allow a Western 
presence in the region.  Additionally, we will need to deal 
with Sudan, which is clearly trying to block the rehatting of 
AMIS, Joli noted. 
 
Support for ISAF and NATO in Kosovo 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/09/2016 
TAGS: PREL MARR MARR FR EUN NATO FRPREL EUN NATO
SUBJECT: SOME MOD THINKING ON NATO, DARFUR, AND ARM SALES 
TO VENEZUELA 
 
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7. (C) Reviewing the state of play at NATO, Joli reiterated 
France's opposition to a broader role for the Alliance, lest 
it become "a super OSCE."  Joli affirmed that NATO should 
play to its strengths as a military alliance and not seek 
additional roles, such as the humanitarian relief operation 
in Pakistan.  A key problem is that Alliance members are not 
keen on committing resources, he added.  Joli complained how, 
whether in the EU or at NATO, and except for the British, 
France's European partners are not dedicating sufficient 
resources to defense and security needs.  He cited low 
defense budgets, in terms of percentage of GDP, as an example 
of Europe's failing. 
 
8. (C) Joli and Millot expressed the MOD's full support for 
ISAF, as well as for NATO's contributions to security and 
stability in the Balkans.  Joli indicated that, over time, 
Europe would clearly have to carry a greater share of 
responsibility for the Balkans.  He cautioned, however, that 
NATO should not disengage from Kosovo too rapidly.  He looked 
forward to increased NATO-EU cooperation in the Balkans. 
EU role in handling decommissioned ships 
---------------------------------------- 
 
9. (C) Joli said the decision to have France's former 
aircraft carrier, the Clemenceau, towed back to France had 
been difficult.  Aside from the controversy raised by 
environmentalists, the underlying problem remained that 
Europe does not have any ship yards where old ships could be 
dismantled.  France therefore has suggested to the EU that it 
consider setting up such a facility for the decomissioning 
and dismantling of old ships.  (Background Note: In advance 
of his visit to India, President Chirac reversed a government 
decision to send the Clemenceau to India for dismantling. 
The sale of the ship for scrap had generated much controversy 
and legal opposition from environmentalists in France and 
India.  End note.) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Please visit Paris' Classified Website at: 
http://www.state.sgov.gov/p/eur/paris/index.c fm 
 
Stapleton